Sir John Valentine Carden Survives. Part 2.

The RN was perfectly capable of coordinating multiple carrier operations
Yes, as you say they were just more dispersed. When "USS Robin" briefly became 50% of the US Carrier force in the Pacific with the Saratoga both USN and RN learnt a lot.For example RN has a much better coordinated CAP system - there was a seperate radio channel and flight command for the fighters to respond Not sure if earlier Ark Royal had this but the later Carriers did. As Saratoga was larger they coordinated so US fighter flew off HMS Victorious and larger RN strike craft off Saratoga. Just as with the lessons the Army is learning more quickly ITL that coordination and combined arms are crucial.
 
Yes, as you say they were just more dispersed. When "USS Robin" briefly became 50% of the US Carrier force in the Pacific with the Saratoga both USN and RN learnt a lot.For example RN has a much better coordinated CAP system - there was a seperate radio channel and flight command for the fighters to respond Not sure if earlier Ark Royal had this but the later Carriers did. As Saratoga was larger they coordinated so US fighter flew off HMS Victorious and larger RN strike craft off Saratoga. Just as with the lessons the Army is learning more quickly ITL that coordination and combined arms are crucial.

I do wonder what the effects of the changes would be on the naval course of the Pacific War. The main opponent for the IJN remains the USN, and if the USN does operate "USS Robin" ITTL as well, or will the changes be enough for the USN to do better then IOTL as well. But then again, if they do, HMS Ark Royal is still in action, and she would be much more suited to the task then Armoured Box carriers of the Illustrious class, allowing for her availlability and modifications OFC.
 
I do wonder what the effects of the changes would be on the naval course of the Pacific War. The main opponent for the IJN remains the USN, and if the USN does operate "USS Robin" ITTL as well, or will the changes be enough for the USN to do better then IOTL as well. But then again, if they do, HMS Ark Royal is still in action, and she would be much more suited to the task then Armoured Box carriers of the Illustrious class, allowing for her availlability and modifications OFC.
Correction shouldn't this be "The main opponent of the IJN remains the IJA"?
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Provided they have fighters available with the range I'd expect later raids to be escorted.

Range was a big issue, at that point in time as the G4Ms were pushing their own range, I think the only unit in the area that actually had the range was the then new Ki-61 or Ki-44 which is an IJA plane and the IJA wouldn't be caught dead escorting IJN bombers.
 
I think the IJN’s main opponent actually was the USN.
But you’re right; their main enemy was the IJA.
I suppose that's fair enough. The main enemy of the Royal Navy is His Majesty's Treasury after all, though to be fair the Treasury is much more ruthless than the Imperial Japanese Army.
 
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Which at the end of the day really bloody hurt them the IJN and IJAs internal fued ate up so much of their resources like they had so many similar programs running in parallel it just ate up their skilled manpower and resources.

Also the piss poor to nonexistent ways they actually ran their conquered territories, puppet states and colonies as well as how hard they had to fight to keep the populations compliant ate up almost as much.
 
Which at the end of the day really bloody hurt them the IJN and IJAs internal fued ate up so much of their resources like they had so many similar programs running in parallel it just ate up their skilled manpower and resources.
Something is very wrong when an army has to build and run its own aircraft carriers and submarines to be able to get supplies to its troops.
 
Something is very wrong when an army has to build and run its own aircraft carriers and submarines to be able to get supplies to its troops.
The US Army operated over 100,000 ships of various types in WW2 although not any submarines or aircraft carriers 😋
 
Didn’t the USAF try to build SSBNs & aircraft carriers in the late ‘50s, too?
They probably did a paper study on it, but I doubt it got to the stage of bending metal. This was the era when all the US armed services were desperately trying to latch on to the strategic nuclear mission as a way of showing they were still relevant and thus deserving of funds, so a study like that would have been ammunition for the contest against the USN. Probably the only thing that caused Curtis LeMay any pangs of conscience was the thought that somehow, somewhere, there might be a nuclear warhead that didn't have USAF painted on it!
 
They probably did a paper study on it, but I doubt it got to the stage of bending metal. This was the era when all the US armed services were desperately trying to latch on to the strategic nuclear mission as a way of showing they were still relevant and thus deserving of funds, so a study like that would have been ammunition for the contest against the USN. Probably the only thing that caused Curtis LeMay any pangs of conscience was the thought that somehow, somewhere, there might be a nuclear warhead that didn't have USAF painted on it!
And in SAC’s defence they didn’t try to steal carrier aviation & plane design from the USN *glares at the inter-war RAF*
 
They probably did a paper study on it, but I doubt it got to the stage of bending metal. This was the era when all the US armed services were desperately trying to latch on to the strategic nuclear mission as a way of showing they were still relevant and thus deserving of funds, so a study like that would have been ammunition for the contest against the USN. Probably the only thing that caused Curtis LeMay any pangs of conscience was the thought that somehow, somewhere, there might be a nuclear warhead that didn't have USAF painted on it!
The ultimate opponent of any military is the national treasury. Service chiefs all recognize that the military budget is finite, usually with pressures to reduce said budget, therefore the ultimate battle is to get as large a percentage of that budget as possible whilst simultaneously arguing that the overall amount is not sufficient.

It literally is a zero sum game because any increase in one services budget usually involves the decrease in another's. One way to get ahead is to claim that a capability offered by one service is a duplicate and rightfully should belong to another. Such as the USAF claiming all fixed wing tactical air or the RAF claiming naval aviation. This also means not spending money/resources on capabilities your service sees as of lesser importance but another sees as very important, for example the RAF Regiment formed when the army wasn't invested in airfield defence. The Japanese just took it to its absurd ultimate conclusion.
 
±/no I did mean the Marines which are part of the USN.
It's not quite that simple. Yes, the Commandant of the Marines does answer to the Secretary of the Navy, but he very much does not answer to the Chief of Naval Operations. This seems to me to be a 'grey area'.
 
27 January 1942. Fort Canning, Singapore.
27 January 1942. Fort Canning, Singapore.

The tension in the ‘war room’ had been growing over the hours waiting for updates from the front. With General Auchinleck looking on, and doing his very best not to interfere, Lieutenant-General Percival’s Head of Intelligence was briefing the officers present on the current situation.

The battle of Ipoh had raged for nearly a week, Lt-Gen Heath’s III Indian Corps had managed to hold their positions for a solid four days before the river was finally breached. The 11th Indian Division had made good their withdrawal to the second line and, eventually, the third defensive position at Kampar Hill. All that time, the Japanese offensive had been bloodied and weakened. In doing so it had cost the 11th Indian Division to be seriously weakened, with Major-General Murray-Lyon having to be hospitalised from exhaustion. 9th Indian Division on the east coast had had a similar fight on its hand, but had retrained cohesion as it withdrew all the way back to Kuantan.

The Australian Major-General Cecil Callaghan’s 8 Division, with the Divisional Cavalry’s Stuart tanks at the forefront, had begun the counterattack the previous day. Having concentrated at Bidor, the Australians had advanced under the cover of darkness to Banja. 2/18 Battalion’s A and B Companies forced a crossing of the river, which was extended by the rest of the Battalion. The engineers managed to get a pontoon bridge over the river under the cover of the Division’s artillery. Once the bridge and a ferry were operational, the rest of 22nd Brigade crossed over, the Stuart tanks being ferried over, while the rest of Brigade’s vehicles and men used the pontoon bridge.

After 22nd Brigade had crossed, the 27th Brigade moved up to follow them across the river. Lieutenant-General Mackay’s plan called on Callaghan’s men to advance as rapidly as possible towards Taiping. If they could be a blocking force to prevent any Japanese withdrawing through the town, it would effectively create a Japanese pocket around Ipoh to Kuala Kangsar. 16th Brigade, the third Brigade in 8 Division would follow on the heels of 27th Brigade.

While the Australians were attempting their flanking move, the British 18th Division, with 7th Bn RTR supporting them, had begun passing through the 11th Indian Division to begin pushing the Japanese back. Morshead’s 9 Australian Division was in reserve, but the hope was that they would be able to pass through 8 Division and move up towards Penang while the 8th and 18th Divisions destroyed the main Japanese force.

Auchinleck was also happy to hear reports coming from Burma that Lieutenant-General Slim’s offensive had also got underway, albeit with the limited objective to regaining Tavoy and Victoria Point airfields and hopefully being able to cut the railway from Bangkok south. Slim’s force was partially coming by sea, some of the Landing Ship Infantry (HMS Queen Emma and Glengyle) and A Lighters that had brought reinforcements from Basra were carrying the units tasked with capturing the airfield.

There was an all out effort by the RAF, and the American Volunteer Group over the south of Burma and Thailand to support this offensive. Likewise over the counter-attack around Ipoh had the full support of both the bomber and fighter squadrons of the RAF and RAAF. Flying Tomahawks and Hurricanes, there was a vast improvement in the British fighters’ effectiveness against the Japanese. Some of the Tomahawk squadrons were experimenting with close air support missions, the pilots being taught by the veterans from North Africa.

Fighting the Japanese to a standstill had been a great achievement by Percival’s men in Malaya. Unfortunately, Japanese progress in other places was being slowed but not yet stopped. Much of the British and Indian forces in North Borneo were now either moved or defeated. Around Balikpapan the surviving Japanese were having to be winkled out at some cost to the KNIL and Indian troops. The loss of some of their supply ships to Dutch and British submarines was presumed to be causing havoc to the Japanese timetable.

The Australians at Rabaul had given the Japanese a very bloody nose and had, as planned, pulled back into the interior of New Britain. Auchinleck was currently working out a strategy for pulling them out before their supplies dwindled completely.

On the Celebes, the Japanese landing at Kendari was being resisted by the Dutch and US troops, it wouldn’t surprising to find that the Japanese would attempt to reinforce this attack, and the USN and KM (Koninklijke Marine) had deployed submarines to try to intercept this.

The situation for the Americans on Bataan seemed bleak, they seemed to keep pulling back to other defensive lines, only to be pushed back again and again. Douglas MacArthur had been quite forthright about what support he wasn’t getting, expecting the Royal Navy and KM to provide aid in addition to that supplied by the USN Asiatic Fleet. Admiral Phillips’ first response had been censored, and a second, less negative, message had been sent saying that he would do what he could, when he had anything available. The fast minelayer HMS Abdiel was being considered for a run to Corregidor, but Phillips wanted some kind of American promise of aerial cover while approaching and leaving, and that while docked at night the unloading of ammunition and medical supplies, and the loading of personnel to be evacuated, could be done in the course of one night.

Reports of fresh Japanese troops arriving by sea towards Patani had been received, but they were too far north for the RAF’s bombers and torpedo bombers to intercept. It wasn’t clear just how large the reinforcement had been, but the sighting by an American submarine suggested that it was only a smallish convoy. The Captain of the submarine had also attempted to torpedo the convoy but reported that his torpedoes had either missed or failed to detonate. This was an increasingly common report coming from the USN. The Dutch and British submarines hadn’t reported any such difficulty.

Force Z, after its successful battle of Makassar Strait, had returned to the Indian Ocean heading to Ceylon. HMS Ark Royal would take onboard the new Lend-Lease Martlet IIs (G-36Bs with folding wings), and it would need a week or two of training to make sure the pilots were qualified for deck landings in the new type. Meanwhile HMS Prince of Wales and escorts were supporting the landings at Victoria Point.

Auchinleck was beginning to think that the situation for his ABDA command was beginning to stabilise. He was aware that the Japanese still had the initiative, and that they were lot better than pre-war predictions. He was also conscious that the British Empire was fully committed to the fight, and that the Far East was getting its fair share of the military resources. The sleeping giant of America was also awakening and therefore the Japanese had already lost, they just didn't know it yet.

General Auchinleck also thanked his lucky stars that the initial Japanese attacks at Jitra and the Ledge had been blunted. If they had managed to knock 11th Indian Division off-kilter at the beginning of the campaign the Indian troops might never have recovered. Likewise with 9th Indian Division, if they had suffered the quick loss of Kota Bharu their morale would probably have led to failure to get a grip at all. Instead, both Divisions had proven worthy of their salt, though at a high cost. With the offensive now was in the hands of fresh and well-trained Divisions, and if he was gambling man, he’d put money on the Australian 9 Division winning the race to Bangkok.
 
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