Let's say the Qing/Later Jin are defeated by one of the Chinese factions during the fall of the Ming Dynasty (Shun, Xi, Southern Ming), and we'll say it's a very costly defeat with multiple banner armies wiped out entirely. What is the likely outcome for the areas imediately north of China? Are Qing still strong enough to consolidate their hold on the regions north of China? Alternately may Dzungars under Galdan be able to best the weakened Qing? How likely is it for whoever eventually wins in China to replicate the northward and eastward expansion of the Qing? Might the Russians be able move their frontier far further south than iOTL? Some combination of these?
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