ming collapse

  1. WI Tokugawa conquered China

    The POD is instead of turning isolationist Tokugawa develop a navy on par with Korea and launches amphibious invasion of later Jin. Later they vasalize Korea. The finally invade China after Shun dynasty collapses the Ming Dynasty and divide it among the clans of Japan How will this affect the...
  2. GameBawesome

    WI: Wu Sangui didn't defect to the Qing?

    Wu Sangui was a general in the late Ming Dynasty, and later defected to the Qing Dynasty after Li Zicheng took Beijing, which was instrumental the Qing conquest of China, then decades later revolt against the Qing in an attempt to establish his own dynasty, but then died. It would be best to...
  3. GameBawesome

    WI/AHC: House of Koxinga takes over China? Zheng Dynasty

    The Zheng Family, also known as the House of Koxinga was founded by Zheng Chenggong, or also known as Koxinga. He was a Ming Loyalist that fought against the Manchu Qing Conquests, and nearly took Nanjing, which had he did, it would've interrupted the supply route of the Grand Canal leading to...
  4. PC: Beijing falls to the Mongols in the 1550s?

    So I found out a few days ago about Altan Khan, a powerful Mongol ruler who led several raids into Ming China's northern borders and attacked Beijing's suburbs in 1550, with the wikipedia article on him saying he actually laid siege to the city but providing no other information about it other...
  5. PC/WI: Second Mongol Conquest of China (Later Yuan instead of Qing)

    The Great Yuan, heirs of Genghis & Kublai, ruled over China for over a century, before being pushed back to the steppes by the rising Ming Dynasty. The remaining Mongols had a mixed relationship with Ming China, sometimes allies & sometimes adversaries, and occasionally rose to even threaten...
  6. SealTheRealDeal

    What happens to Xinjiang, Mongolia, and Manchuria in event of the Qing failing to conquer China

    Let's say the Qing/Later Jin are defeated by one of the Chinese factions during the fall of the Ming Dynasty (Shun, Xi, Southern Ming), and we'll say it's a very costly defeat with multiple banner armies wiped out entirely. What is the likely outcome for the areas imediately north of China? Are...
  7. GameBawesome

    No Manchu Invasions, who Unifies China?

    In OTL, the Ming to Qing Transition was a whole mess. It first started off with the Jurchen Tribes uniting into the Later Jin (Future Qing) and invaded Liaodong Peninsula, with natural disasters and then famine, while previously natural disasters then famine occurred, which caused a peasant...
  8. WI Toyotomi Hideoyoshi dies in 1592/No Imjin War. Delayed Japanese invasion of Korea/China coincides with Collapse of Ming

    WI Toyotomi Hideoyoshi dies in 1592, without a male heir and his far more capable nephew Toyotomi Hidetsugu becomes the next Imperial Regent. The Imjin War doesn't happen in this time frame, thus the Toyotomi aren't weakened, they don't a have child ruler, and Tokugawa Ieyasu has no...
  9. GameBawesome

    Latest date to save the late Ming Dynasty?

    The late Ming Dyansty, to put it politely...was a mess. Silver inflation from Spain, corruption in the imperial court, economic downturn, incompetent or short-lived emperors, factionalism, eunuchs, peasant revolts, the Japanese, and famines that all showed signs that the Ming Dyansty lost the...
  10. Donglin Academy takes power

    What if after the death of the Wanli Emperor of the Ming Dynasty, the Donglin Academy is more successful in gaining influence in the court and possibly pushing for reforms? What kind of reforms will they undergo and what will the future Ming Dynasty look like with a Donglin-influenced Ming Dynasty?
  11. Chinese Eastern Canada

    Chinese Eastern Canada I do not know whether to place in ASB or Alt History Discussion-Before 1900. I decided for the former...due that is inspired by this quote - "In a thread of mine a while back about a Chinese invasion, Dr. What mentioned that in that sort of situation, the Canadians would...
  12. Whiteshore

    WI: The Shun or Daxi took over China instead of the Qing

    While we all know the Qing took over China after the Ming fell, what few people know is that there were two dynasties lying around during this period, the Shun, who were led by Li Zicheng and had taken over Beijing and large swathes of northern China prior to the Manchu Invasion, and the Daxi...
  13. Whiteshore

    DBWI: Shun Dynasty doesn't take over China

    As we all know, the Shun Dynasty, under Li Zicheng (or the Yongchang Emperor) took over China in the mid-17th century, crushing Ming remnants, the "Daxi Dynasty", and the Manchu with Li Zicheng seen by many Chinese even today as one of the greatest emperors China had in his reign from 1644 to...
  14. Whiteshore

    AHC: "Four Kingdoms" period after the Ming collapse

    While most people know that the Manchus conquered the Ming Dynasty as it collapsed, few people know that in addition to the Ming and the Latter Jin/Qing, there were two other dynasties lying around during this time, the Shun and the (infamous) Daxi, which respecitvely held most of Northern China...
  15. Whiteshore

    What would a China ruled by Zhang Xianzhong look like?

    If you don't know about him, Zhang Xianzhong was a Chinese warlord who took over Sichuan during the Ming Dynasty's collapse before the Qing defeated him. He allegedly massacred large swathes of Sichuan's population and erected the infamous "Seven Kills" stele. But what if he somehow takes over...
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