What if the Mongols Attacked Central Europe an Kings & Generals Alternate History
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Part 6
Revenge starts
Revenge starts
The anti-christ is dead.
Still weird to me that the only mention of the popes death was a single half line. Also so many people just don't care, it is really weird, like late season game of thrones weird.
Also @phil03 you might not like how they treat Freddy.
Also sounds like the final showdown will have nothing to do with the characters we have followed for most of the story, fitting for history I guess.
Also the French civil war is starting to happen.
Still weird to me that the only mention of the popes death was a single half line. Also so many people just don't care, it is really weird, like late season game of thrones weird.
Also @phil03 you might not like how they treat Freddy.
Also sounds like the final showdown will have nothing to do with the characters we have followed for most of the story, fitting for history I guess.
Also the French civil war is starting to happen.
Meh, the damage is done at this stage...
I'd say Charles, Raymond and Aragon are at least reasonably in character but repurposed civilian galleys in the Middle-Age maneuvering like the rowers of Athenai at Salamis, Mycale, Eurymedon, Naupactus and Cizicus? Nah, sorry. Just not buying it.
I'd say Charles, Raymond and Aragon are at least reasonably in character but repurposed civilian galleys in the Middle-Age maneuvering like the rowers of Athenai at Salamis, Mycale, Eurymedon, Naupactus and Cizicus? Nah, sorry. Just not buying it.
My guess is that the real winners of this conflict are going to be Henry III and Qaidu Khagan
Venice or Nicaea. I think they're mutually exclusive
Although I do think that Venice is in a better position ITTL.
That the Ogedeids in Central Asia are going to be in a better position seems fairly clear (TTL's Golden Horde's eastern border will be the Volga) and England is going to leave undamaged and in a much better position, so I think they're fairly certainly going to end up on top.
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Since Venice has formed a collation out of the eastern latin states, it seems them.
But interesting to see what happens with the final battle in the east.
Yes England will be more powerful, maybe helping France will lead to a union? Or a divided france.
And here is the ending, as part of a full story.
Kind of a meh ending honestly, a good battle. Nothing is really resolved, which I guess makes it kinda realistic, after all things rarely ever just end.
Kind of a meh ending honestly, a good battle. Nothing is really resolved, which I guess makes it kinda realistic, after all things rarely ever just end.
Europe is just left wrecked and then Batu just dies.
Disappointing honestly. A pretty good first AH though, keen to see what they do next.
Disappointing honestly. A pretty good first AH though, keen to see what they do next.
I loved this story. Alternate history should seriously be considered as subsection of historical study, because those who dabble in it have to know what really happened better than most experts in order to know what could or couldn't have happened. Yes, there is a big element of supposition, but that's true of history itself: most of what we 'know' are suppositions built on existing sources and the absence of sources opposing the suppositions. Now, thanks to this incredible epic, I have a clearer picture of the politics of medieval Europe in the mid-13th Century than all my history lessons could convey. How else would I have known about figures like Wenceslaus, or Frederick II, Pope Innocent IV, Reniero Zeno, Alexander Nevsky, the brilliant Subotai, Batu and the other Mongol leaders? Now, they aren't just historical figures for me: they are characters in this story. That makes them easier to remember, and makes me want to know more about them.
I do have a few querries that would be worth answering, some probably because I missed them but others just general questions.
Any way: this is just me nitpicking. This was an absolutely amazing series and I wish that another will come one day.
I do have a few querries that would be worth answering, some probably because I missed them but others just general questions.
Did Wenceslaus die or is he still around? I missed that part.
What about Blanche of Castille? It is said that Margaret of Provence became regent after Louis IX's death. But Blanche was still alive back then, even if she was old. She was the dominant figure of her son's reign, even after her regency ended. And she was no fan of her daughter-in-law (to the extent that she tried to prevent Margaret and Louis spending any time together unless they were 'doing their duty'). It seems unlikely that she would have let her become regent. Just as it seems unlikely that she would have kept supporting her son Charles after he killed his brother Alphonse for the throne. The dates are a bit fuzzy for me so it's likely she would have been dead by this point, but what would her role have been?
What about Blanche of Castille? It is said that Margaret of Provence became regent after Louis IX's death. But Blanche was still alive back then, even if she was old. She was the dominant figure of her son's reign, even after her regency ended. And she was no fan of her daughter-in-law (to the extent that she tried to prevent Margaret and Louis spending any time together unless they were 'doing their duty'). It seems unlikely that she would have let her become regent. Just as it seems unlikely that she would have kept supporting her son Charles after he killed his brother Alphonse for the throne. The dates are a bit fuzzy for me so it's likely she would have been dead by this point, but what would her role have been?
Any way: this is just me nitpicking. This was an absolutely amazing series and I wish that another will come one day.
Last we hear he is still around, as I said he just drops out of the story.