Walking on the Silver Line: A Valois-Bourgogne TL
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Knock knock, it’s Suleiman the lawgiver. (Personally I prefer this epithet over the magnificent more unique yk
better than just the great thoughKnock knock, it’s Suleiman the lawgiver. (Personally I prefer this epithet over the magnificent more unique yk
Nope, there are only 7 electors by the golden bull and that won't change until the protestant reformation or at least until the religious wars.
Yep, but given the centralazation Max has been implimating, plus the resources of austria and bohemia, i think albert can keep suleiman out of hungaryKnock knock, it’s Suleiman the lawgiver. (Personally I prefer this epithet over the magnificent more unique yk
They truly are, and it isn't official but that's what they call themselves along with being called Kings of Burgundy or grand dukes of the west. (Also that's what happens when you invite a state that is roughly the same size as Austria + Bohemia)
OUCH. Still wish for a much less disastrous battle than mohacs at least
Go albert!Oh Albert will live, and let's just say I love elective monarchies
And hope the habsburgs retain the thrones Max got back
but not PLC sort of stuff, right?Oh Albert will live, and let's just say I love elective monarchies
Oh no absolutely not, but pretenders and rival kings are certainly on the table. The Habsburgs have a history of absolutist rule and imo, that wouldn't change just because Maximilian married a different wife.
Isabella was raised by Margaret of York, and by Philip the Rich. Both people were kinda absolutist imo.
absolutely true, should have sent the kids to the PLC, would have learned the ¨greatness¨ of Liberum Veto¨
Family Tree of Valois Bourgogne:
So I'm not really good at this whole family tree thingy but here we go:
Charles I the Absolute of Burgundy 1433 - 1480 [1467 - 1480] m. Catherine of France 1428 - 1446 {1440 - 1446} m. Isabella of Bourbon 1434 - 1465 {1454 - 1465} m. Margaret of York 1446 - 1503 {1469 - 1480}
Charles I the Absolute of Burgundy 1433 - 1480 [1467 - 1480] m. Catherine of France 1428 - 1446 {1440 - 1446} m. Isabella of Bourbon 1434 - 1465 {1454 - 1465} m. Margaret of York 1446 - 1503 {1469 - 1480}
Philip IV the Rich of Burgundy 1457 - 1517 {1480 - 1517} m. Anne of Champagne 1461 - 1522 {1475 - 1517}
Charles II, count of Charolais 1480 - 1488 betrothed to: Elizabeth of the Palatine 1483 - 1522 {1485 - 1488}
Margaret of Burgundy 1487 - 1526 m. Christian II of Denmark 1481 - 1559 [1513 - 1523] {1502 - 1526}
Henri I the Fortunate of Burgundy 1489 - 1557 {1517 - 1557} m. Maria of Julich-Berg 1491 - 1543 {1509 - 1543 }
John II the Fair of England 1469 - 1522 [1486 - 1522] m. Elizabeth of York 1465 - 1519 {1486 - 1519}
Arthur, Prince of Wales 1488 - 1502 betrothed to: Katherine of Aragon 1486 - 1540 {1501 - 1502}
Margaret of England 1489 - 1541 m. Francis de Bourbon, stadholder of Boulogne, Artois and Picardy 1491 - 1545 {1506 - 1541}
Richard IV of England 1491 - 1455 [1522 - 1555] m. Katherine of Aragon 1486 - 1540 {1503 - 1540}
Isabella of Burgundy 1472 - 1534 betrothed to: Charles VIII of France 1470 - 1498 {1475} m. Maximilian of Austria, King of Bohemia and Hungary, Holy Roman Emperor 1459 - 1519 {b. 1473 - 1475} {1489 - 1519}
Albert III of Austria, Duke of Milan, King of Bohemia and Hungary, Holy Roman Emperor (disp. w John Zapolya for Hungary from 1526 - 1540) 1491 - 1541 [1519 - 1541] m. Eleanor of Spain 1498 - 1553 {1508 - 1541}
Anne of Austria 1492 - 1535 {1508 - 1535} m. Charles I of Spain 1498 - 1555 [1498 - 1555] {1508 - 1535}
Eleanor of Austria 1495 - 1553 {1520 - 1550} m. William IV of Bavaria 1493 - 1550 [1508 - 1550]
Frederick of Austria, count of Chur, 1496 - 1549 [1521 - 1549] m. Elizabeth Corvinus 1496 - 1537 {1511 - 1537}
Elizabeth of Austria, 1500 - 1546 {1520 - 1535} m. Francesco II Sforza of Milan 1495 - 1535 [1521 - 1535]
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I wouldn't say exactly absolutist, having become Emperors in an era in which direct imperial power was very little ( especially with Frederick III who initially had a personal state property much lower than that of the Electors ), it would be more correct to say that the Habsburgs have much more propensity to seek compromises with the other powers representing the Kingdoms where they govern, certainly the ideal would be to arrive at "absolute" government, but it is very complicated, so I don't see them taking such a "risky" path at the moment, they will probably try to seek a middle ground between absolutist and collegiate government ( similar to what they did in Otl, until the mid-17th century, where they were "strong" enough on the throne, to try to push through more centralizing reforms in their monarchy composite ) of course a lot will depend on what happens around them ( between Burgundy, Luther, Suleiman, Italian wars etc ) otherwise really well written chapter, it was great to read