Plausibility Check

So Im a pretty big fan when it comes to studying World War One, I dont know what it is but its a much more appealing subject to me than World War Two (I do know why that war is in particular, my least favorite, the Holocaust). Naturally I would take a gander at creating an alternate history, this has been done to death I know but if everyone else jumped off a bridge Id probably see what all the fuss was about.

This is what Ive been writing during classes for the last week. Its a rough draft.

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After German soldiers captured Paris after a furious battle they occupied French positions and fought a three month long battle against allied forces, bleeding them white. At the end of the three -month Battle of Paris the French Government sought an armistice.

Never exactly eccentric about joining the war and only doing so to uphold their treaty with Belgium, Great Britain promptly asked for peace as well and quickly received it. Imperial Russia, whose internal turmoil was getting in the way of its war making potential, sought peace with Germany as well. Due to Germanys upper-hand in the east Russia agreed to some very obscene terms. The Kingdom of Poland was created as a German puppet, while the Baltic States were outright annexed into the Empire. Far in the north Finland was given its independence, in the coming years it would prove a loyal ally to Germany.

In the West, Belgium and Luxembourg became German puppets. The Iron rich fields of North-Eastern France were ceded to German-Belgium and all existing French colonies were handed over to the German Empire. Though the Kaiser finally had an Empire worthy of its name, he would employ a vastly expanded Marine Corps to keep authority over these colonies for the next decade.

The War of 1914 ended in the Balkans with German soldiers arriving to assist Austro-Hungarian forces in the Invasion of Serbia, which brought the misunderstood nation into the sphere of influence of the Central Powers as an Austrian puppet.

In the former Entente things were heating up. Violent reactionary groups began to gain power in France; Ireland and India were in full-scale revolt against the British Empire and Bolshevik Extremists were acting up in Russia. Thankfully Germany had not imposed any heavy war reparations on France, none of Great Britain and pledged to assist the Russian Monarchy in its civil war with veteran German soldiers. The United States of America has remained neutral throughout all of this, chasing banditos in Mexico.
In the Pacific Japan sought to increase the size of her Empire and was angry at having lost the opportunity to seize German colonies. So instead she turned her eyes to the fractured state of China.

How Germany Won:
The Schlieffen Plan was not extremely modified. More troops were stationed for the Invasion of Belgium and France rather than the defense of Alsace-Lorraine. The result is that Germany just barely reaches and captures Paris, having a much harder time holding it (but holding it indeed).

With no trench warfare there are no grenades, sub-machine guns or tanks. The machine gun is not the incredibly important infantry weapon it should have been and Cavalry was not completely out-dated. The bayonet and bravery are seen as the weapons that win wars.
 
I am not a WWI experts by any means but I don't think it would have worked.

Assuming Moltke does not defend Alsace-Lorraine and goes stronger through Belgium, the result would have been similar because of logistical capabilities at the time. German troops were exhausted before the battle began and the rear units didn't even make it there until the battle was over.
 
When you say eccentric, you mean enthusiatic.

The Schlieffen Plan, IIRC required superhuman endurance on the part of the advancing German forces, with insufficient allowance for logistics and supply. I can't see it working.
 

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Unfortunately a no-go. Germany did not have enough men, material, or time to make this work. Investing Paris was supposed to take ~260,000 men, while the field army was supposed to be defeated separately. Reading Moltke's orders during the battle, it seems that the major problem Germany had was catching up to the French armies. They withdrew too quickly and made contact with Paris, by which time Moltke realized that the jig was up and the war was not to be won that war west.

The 1st army, starting September 4th, was supposed to screen the German center, which was to affect the destruction of French forces. This didn't play out too well, which resulted in OTL. The addition of the 6th and 7th armies in the right wing or center is just going to jam up the forces already there. The Belgians and Allies wrecked the rail junctions and tunnels in Belgium and Northern France leaving the Germans nearly unable to supply or reinforce their troops on the right wing in a timely fashion. This may help in allowing them to take all of Belgium and France up to the Somme, but it then means the Germans give up bleeding the French in exceedingly favorable circumstances in the border region. It also means abandoning their forts, which they spent so much money on, and letting Germany be invaded. Sure, it might make military sense, but it was not politically viable.

The other problem is that by letting the French invade Germany while all the armies are traffic jammed in Belgium, waiting on the reduction of Liege, the French are given a pass to threaten Germany's industrial and mining heartland. Even if they are forced to retreat, which they won't entirely, they will have wrecked some vital industrial areas which puts Germany in a weaker position than OTL. The French also will be able to redeploy their forces much quicker, having an undestroyed rail network, which OTL enabled them to build up their 6th army from units in Lorraine faster than the Germans could march to Paris. This will be the same situation here, as French troops are railed out of Alsace and the Saar to meet the exhausted Germans in the open fields of France. They will be able to counterattack at the German army's weakest, after marching hundreds of miles to Paris. And they will hold some vital areas in Germany, which, though they probably will be taken back, will be wrecked and out of commission for a vital period.

Schlieffen wargamed these ideas and though he wanted the strong right wing, the left wing was vital to the plan too.
 
Unfortunately a no-go. Germany did not have enough men, material, or time to make this work. Investing Paris was supposed to take ~260,000 men, while the field army was supposed to be defeated separately. Reading Moltke's orders during the battle, it seems that the major problem Germany had was catching up to the French armies. They withdrew too quickly and made contact with Paris, by which time Moltke realized that the jig was up and the war was not to be won that war west.

The 1st army, starting September 4th, was supposed to screen the German center, which was to affect the destruction of French forces. This didn't play out too well, which resulted in OTL. The addition of the 6th and 7th armies in the right wing or center is just going to jam up the forces already there. The Belgians and Allies wrecked the rail junctions and tunnels in Belgium and Northern France leaving the Germans nearly unable to supply or reinforce their troops on the right wing in a timely fashion. This may help in allowing them to take all of Belgium and France up to the Somme, but it then means the Germans give up bleeding the French in exceedingly favorable circumstances in the border region. It also means abandoning their forts, which they spent so much money on, and letting Germany be invaded. Sure, it might make military sense, but it was not politically viable.

The other problem is that by letting the French invade Germany while all the armies are traffic jammed in Belgium, waiting on the reduction of Liege, the French are given a pass to threaten Germany's industrial and mining heartland. Even if they are forced to retreat, which they won't entirely, they will have wrecked some vital industrial areas which puts Germany in a weaker position than OTL. The French also will be able to redeploy their forces much quicker, having an undestroyed rail network, which OTL enabled them to build up their 6th army from units in Lorraine faster than the Germans could march to Paris. This will be the same situation here, as French troops are railed out of Alsace and the Saar to meet the exhausted Germans in the open fields of France. They will be able to counterattack at the German army's weakest, after marching hundreds of miles to Paris. And they will hold some vital areas in Germany, which, though they probably will be taken back, will be wrecked and out of commission for a vital period.

Schlieffen wargamed these ideas and though he wanted the strong right wing, the left wing was vital to the plan too.

Thanks for the developed response! What POD would it take for Germany to take Paris real quick and clean?
 
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