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Considering that the Joseon would be a lot closer to the Amur basin and could throw a lot more settlers and armies into the Amur Basin and make it part of the heartlands of the Joseon they just would have to fight the Russians to establish control.
Yes but the Joseon have the more populated southern lands still held by the rump Jin in there way.
The fact that the Ming aren't the Qing also doesn't mean they won't come to the defense of the Korchin Mongols if the Russians try to fight them. It'd invalidate the client system China's running if they don't defend any of their vassals from attacks from foreign powers,
Are they vassals? Even if they are I Think many Chinese would be enraged that they’re being taxed or conscripted to fight for the Mongolians considering it wasn’t all that long ago they were raping and pillaging China. I don’t think Ming court would be enthusiastic Considering the Yuan have politically stabilized and our expanding east at the expense of the Jin.
and if they don't someone else like the Joseon will to gain more control over the area. I don't think the Russians will get anywhere beyond the Amur for now.
Still more then they got in OTL, and what they got will give them access to the Korean, Chinese, and Japanese markets.
 
Are they vassals? Even if they are I Think many Chinese would be enraged that they’re being taxed or conscripted to fight for the Mongolians considering it wasn’t all that long ago they were raping and pillaging China. I don’t think Ming court would be enthusiastic Considering the Yuan have politically stabilized and our expanding east at the expense of the Jin.
Ming China isn't humanist at all. Also, unless the army got crushed by the Russians the civilians won't care a la most dynasties before, and considering that it is the Ming Chinese emperor showing their power against the Russians and their Mongolian vassals the peasantry won't care at all. The Northern Yuan were backed by the Chinese after all, and considering Russia's otl actions against Buryat I think China would have to act, and Joseon would carve out it's sphere of influence in the Amur basin against Russia as the two powers negotiate with Joseon as an important secondary power in the region.

I do think Russia should still get more than otl at first due to it being far far away from the Ming tho.
Yes but the Joseon have the more populated southern lands still held by the rump Jin in there way.
Yeah and they're still a vassal that probably would be completely annexed by Joseon, and a series of northern expeditions to conquer it all (due to the British and Dutch wanting furs alongside the more traditionally 'Asian' wares like porcelain and to expand to prevent the heartland of Joseon from being so easily attacked by nomads) would be very plausible. You have to remember that Joseon basically is around the ballpark of the Russians population-wise (Russia has 13.6 mil ppl while Joseon has 12.2 mil), and the Joseon are projecting power right from the heartland of their state while the Russians are hanging from a thread and are mostly expeditionary based, with the Cossacks and native allies doing the fighting.
 
While the Russians were eager to expand against only tribal opposition, they did not value the Amur enough to fight for it against an organized nation. They were quick to surrender the whole basin to the Chinese in OTL 1686.
 
While the Russians were eager to expand against only tribal opposition, they did not value the Amur enough to fight for it against an organized nation. They were quick to surrender the whole basin to the Chinese in OTL 1686.
Well, this happened largely due to the heavy losses that the Cossacks suffered at one time, and also because of the inexperience and cowardice of Fyodor Golovin - he was afraid of the psychological action of the Qing troops.
It should be noted that in the 1650s these areas were almost deserted. Daurs and duchers under the leadership of Sharhud migrated to the south, concluding an agreement with the Chinese on the development of Manchuria. In this way, they hoped to deprive the Russians of a food base (and this was also spurred on by the fact that Yerofey Pavlovich Khabarov was cruel to the local peoples, and had a reputation as a demon and a cannibal).
 
Well, this happened largely due to the heavy losses that the Cossacks suffered at one time, and also because of the inexperience and cowardice of Fyodor Golovin - he was afraid of the psychological action of the Qing troops.
It should be noted that in the 1650s these areas were almost deserted. Daurs and duchers under the leadership of Sharhud migrated to the south, concluding an agreement with the Chinese on the development of Manchuria. In this way, they hoped to deprive the Russians of a food base (and this was also spurred on by the fact that Yerofey Pavlovich Khabarov was cruel to the local peoples, and had a reputation as a demon and a cannibal).
The sparseness of Manchuria and the armies Russia and Joseon could field around Manchuria Russia won't be able to do anything against a proper Joseon army, a fact which the Russians would be aware of, and the fact that Russia would be focusing their armies and main efforts in Europe, not fighting an adversary of similar population size and military strength in the edges of their empire.

Considering New Sweden and New Holland the explorers should also be similar and I don't think they would endear themselves to the locals there, and there should only be very minor differences like place names being different (well Manchuria definitely won't be called Manchuria for obvious reasons) and Joseon and Han settlers should be settling in the region and be the main ethnicities there. The Korchin are ppl who are vassals of Joseon, so I think Joseon would probably be the main players but the Ming would also come in especially if the Russians attack the Mongols.

Tbf I'd say the situation where Manchuria is mostly Joseon's vassals are roughly similar to otl, expect that Joseon would be well aware of who and what they're fighting against.
Still more then they got in OTL, and what they got will give them access to the Korean, Chinese, and Japanese markets.
The Japanese and Korean markets were closed Because they wanted to close borders and prevent trade. The Russians has trade towns with the Chinese in otl, and I don't think it'd be different ittl.

Tbf I could see the Japanese seeimg the Russians as a threat to the fur they're selling to the Chinese ittl.
 
Considering New Sweden and New Holland the explorers should also be similar and I don't think they would endear themselves to the locals there, and there should only be very minor differences like place names being different (well Manchuria definitely won't be called Manchuria for obvious reasons) and Joseon and Han settlers should be settling in the region and be the main ethnicities there. The Korchin are ppl who are vassals of Joseon, so I think Joseon would probably be the main players but the Ming would also come in especially if the Russians attack the Mongols.
There is still a chance that the Russians will take the Northern Half of Manchuria for themselves. Moreover, in fairness, Siberia of that time is not a pure example of settler colonialism. Basically, it happens like this - the Cossacks come, build a fort, smash the troops of the local "khan", and demand tribute from the locals. They were not interested in the complete displacement of the locals. At the same time, it is worth considering that the Moscow Government did not always know what to do with all this. In the case of Khabarov, they even had to send ambassadors to apologize to the Daurs and say that "Khabarov is not our man, and in general the Cossacks are not Russian."
 
and considering that it is the Ming Chinese emperor showing their power against the Russians and their Mongolian vassals the peasantry won't care at all. The Northern Yuan were backed by the Chinese after all, and
Why would the Ming worry about Russian expansion? In there view Moscow is probably making it even easier to pressure the step nomad realms to the north to do as they like.
considering Russia's otl actions against Buryat I think China would have to act,
Why? China did not give any aid when Japan went to war with The Iberian Kingdoms. In fact if they threw a hissy fit when there vassals defeated the barbarian superpower.

Now I know if the Spanish just declared war on japan and invaded Kyushu China might have responded (not to the extent of the Imjin War but still) but we got to remember that Russia is not just going to declare open war on the Yuan, they are going to slowly expand where there is resistance and rapidly expand where there is not.
and Joseon would carve out it's sphere of influence in the Amur basin against Russia as the two powers negotiate with Joseon as an important secondary power in the region.
Iam definitely looking forward to what a Korean-Manchu “Vladivostok” will look like.
I do think Russia should still get more than otl at first due to it being far far away from the Ming tho.
An earlier and more extensive control over Central Asia maybe? The Ming will have an even weaker response to Russian expansion into Central Asia due to not bordering the area like the Qing would have.
Yeah and they're still a vassal that probably would be completely annexed by Joseon, and a series of northern expeditions to conquer it all
they’re definitely going to get conquered but that’s going to take time and energy to bring the Manchu tribes to heel, leaving the less populated river filled northern Amur Watershed to the Russians.
(due to the British and Dutch wanting furs
Not sure why the British and Dutch could not get north Asian furs from Russia or China or even from the Japanese Ezo islands. Still Would be a good chapter to learn about an alternate Asian fur trade and the Korea part in it.
You have to remember that Joseon basically is around the ballpark of the Russians population-wise (Russia has 13.6 mil ppl while Joseon has 12.2 mil),
This has got me thinking whether or not the Korean monarchy or bureaucracy will start up some sort of homesteading project in Manchuria or if they will Focus on integrating the Jin.
and the Joseon are projecting power right from the heartland of their state while the Russians are hanging from a thread and are mostly expeditionary based, with the Cossacks and native allies doing the fighting.
As momentarily satisfying reading about Russia getting bodied by a Yuan-Ming-Jin-Joseon-Oda alliance would be I don’t think it will happen for story reasons. A strong expanding Russia in north Asia provides a challenge and even opportunity to various local Asian powers, driving the plot and producing interesting Contant and scenarios. Plus the future of Russia expansion has been mention in other chapters.
While the Russians were eager to expand against only tribal opposition, they did not value the Amur enough to fight for it against an organized nation. They were quick to surrender the whole basin to the Chinese in OTL 1686.
Yes but that was against the expanding Qing empire that Considered that region to be the birthplace of the dynasty and heartland of its most loyal and powerful Bannerman.
The Japanese and Korean markets were closed Because they wanted to close borders and prevent trade. The Russians has trade towns with the Chinese in otl, and I don't think it'd be different ittl.

Tbf I could see the Japanese seeimg the Russians as a threat to the fur they're selling to the Chinese ittl.
that and they will almost certainly have coast line south of the Amur river ITTL
 
Chapter 73: State of Religion in Japan

Chapter 73: State of Religion in Japan


Among all the powers it interacted with in Europe and Asia, Oda Japan stood out as a relatively agnostic realm when it came to the overlap of religion and politics. The emperor held a symbolic role and a direct connection to Shinto mythology, compared by many European chroniclers in the 16th and 17th centuries to the pope, and the imperial court as well as the Oda clan to some extent patronized Buddhist temples. However, the Oda rulers generally had a hands off approach when it came to religious affairs, especially Nobunaga and Nobutomo, and only intervened to suppress signs of organized religion they saw as a threat to their political authority. This could be seen with the war against Ishiyama Honganji during Nobunaga’s quest towards Japanese unification and the violent ban on Roman Catholicism during the Iberian-Japanese War. Aside from symbolic participation in Shinto-Buddhist rites and ceremonies as the highest ranking subject of the Japanese emperor and modest patronage of shrines and temples, the only significant action taken was the legitimization of the Yamato Church to help stamp out Catholicism from the realm. However, local lords and daimyo were more religiously involved within their own domains. This was particularly true of those either of Christian faith or ruling over populations with large Christian minorities. Before the ban on Catholicism, for example, Catholic daimyo heavily patronized the faith and in certain parts of Kyushu even incorporated Jesuits and Franciscans into their administrations. After the implementation of the ban, many daimyo in Kyushu and others with large Catholic populations would support the Yamato Church on the local level in converting ex-Catholics with varying levels of success. In southern Kyushu, meanwhile, the growing number of Calvinist merchants, samurai, and even commoners saw the faith and Dutch interests in general loom large in Shimazu clan politics.

It was within this context of modest political-religious admixture that Yamato Christianity grew into the void left by the Oda suppression of Roman Catholicism. Its founding from the official split of several Kirishitan churches from the Roman Catholic umbrella meant that outside of independence from Rome, the theology of the church stayed the same similarly to the new Church of England just after its separation from Rome in 1536. It developed a new priestly hierarchy centered around a patriarchal authority in Azuchi and 4 archdioceses in Nagasaki, Yamaguchi, Musashino, and Aparri, and 1 diocese in Iriebashi. Unlike the Church of England which underwent an internal Protestant Reformation within 15 years, the Church of Yamato did not alter its theology through Protestant influences, its leadership outright rejecting Dutch Calvinism. However, some of the church’s recent converts were open to Shinto-Buddhist and other native Japanese influences and would be fiercely active in the Yamato Church’s first major controversy, the “Communion Heresy”. When the Roman Catholic Church still operated in the realm, the wine used during Mass to represent the blood of Christ was either purchased at reduced rates from Spanish and Portuguese merchants or for free from the Iberian priesthood. Outside of religious functions, however, wine was a seldomly consumed luxury beverage. Thus, with the expulsion of Spanish-Portuguese merchants and priests from the country, the Church of Yamato found it more difficult to acquire wine for ceremonial usage without forking more money. As a result, some newly established churches in the countryside began to substitute wine with sake or tea. When this became known, a huge debate broke out between the “orthodox” (正統派) and “universal” (全般派) factions, resulting in the Council of 1638 in Azuchi. The former stressed the need to follow ceremonial tradition as practiced by every other church, particularly the Roman Catholic Church that the new church had split from. By contrast, the latter argued on the theory that drinks like sake were acceptable in place of wine as wine was drunk in the last supper by Jesus Christ and his followers due to it being a primary alcoholic drink of the region. According to the “universal” argument, material differences in the churches across different parts of the globe were not only acceptable but expected as Jesus Christ died for the sins of all humanity, not just occidental humanity. After a heated discussion between the bishops and other important figures in the church, the orthodox position won out.​

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Art of the church complex in Azuchi prior to the ban on Catholicism and the rise of Yamato Christianity​

This controversy would, however, have two other long term outcomes. Firstly, the Church of Yamato would look into solutions and deals to overcome the high cost of imported wines, ultimately investing in creating church-run vineyards in the realm itself and birthing Japan’s own wine industry. These first vineyards would spring up around Hyogo in Settsu province and in Hikone (彦根) in Oumi province. Secondly, the 1638 Council elevated the universal faction and their theological arguments within the church despite their loss on the “Communion Heresy''. Their arguments opened the door for native cultural influences and although the theology did not fundamentally change, the concept of wabisabi would gradually be incorporated aesthetically and develop an austere simplicity in the appearance and style of the Yamato Church compared to the greater grandeur of Roman Catholicism. This small but significant admixture of Christian and native concepts would also set a precedent and eventually lead to the creation of a new faith down the line: Kyuusei-kyo (救世教) or Salvationism.​

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Modern day privately operated winery near Hyogo, formerly owned by the Church of Yamato​

In its first 15-20 years of existence, the Church of Yamato easily brought over Kirishitans in most of the realm, particularly in the Kinki region and large urban centers where Japanese priests had already begun to take on a major role compared to Spanish-Portuguese Jesuits and Franciscans. However, the brutal crackdown of the banned faith in Kyushu disillusioned many ex-Catholics, especially peasants in the rural areas, from the faith and many institutions in general. The initial establishment of a Yamato Christian church in Nagasaki was even met with a deluge of hateful graffiti by anonymous ex-Catholics. Those Kirishitans who didn’t join the new native Christian church either continued their “true faith” underground and passed down their beliefs to new generations as kakure katoriku (隠れカトリック) [1] until the eventual legalization of Roman Catholicism 2 centuries later or joined local Pure Land and Nichiren Buddhist (日蓮宗)temples. As a result, the Yamato Church could claim 7% of the population in the home islands by 1650, less than the 10% Roman Catholicism achieved at its apex in 1630. The Church of Yamato could claim 10% of Bireitou as its adherents, however, and it would find greater success in the new province of Luson where newly settled Japanese Kirishitans and Catholic Filipinos would join it from its outset and make it among the biggest faiths in Luson province.

Buddhism also saw changes and developments after the consolidation of the Oda regime. After the destruction of Ishiyama Honganji in 1580 following the truce between the temple and Nobunaga, Kennyo (顕如) withdrew to Honganji’s Saginomoribetsu-in (本願寺鷺森別院) in Kii province and his many followers remained rudderless. Despite his efforts, he would fail to re-establish a new Honganji in his lifetime [2]. After his death, local support for its re-establishment was suppressed by Nobunaga and his son Nobutada and it was only under the rule of Oda Nobunori and his inspector general Saito Yoshioki that a new Honganji was permitted to be re-established in the Sakai exurb of Osaka with Kennyo’s second son Junnyo (准如) as its helm in 1614. However, Honganji and Jodo Shin-shu in general would never achieve the popularity and strength it had accumulated in the 15th and 16th centuries, although Junnyo’s successor Ryounyo (良如) would find some success in increasing the sect’s followers in de-Catholicized rural Kyushu. The void left by Honganji’s long absence would be filled by Jodo-shu temples and other branches of Jodo Shin-shu, most notably its Takada subsect (真宗高田派).

Meanwhile, Buddhist schools preferred by merchants and samurai like Zen, Tendai (天台宗), and Nichiren would take hold in both Bireitou and Luson alongside Catholicism and later Yamato Christianity in the former. Zen and its Chinese progenitor, Chan Buddhism, would end up predominating in Bireitou, with Chinese immigrants to the island followed by monks from the mainland and the indigenous Bireitoans finding the faith most ingratiating with their animist traditions. One Chinese monk in particular, Yinyuan Longqi, would rise to prominence and eventually be patronized by many local lords and chieftains after his arrival to the island in 1637 [3]. It was there that he founded the Oubaku school of Zen (黄檗宗) in 1646 [4], one that would eventually become the most prominent school of Buddhism on the island. Oubaku-shu characteristically melded many Chinese and Japanese elements of Chan/Zen Buddhism together, with the traditional Zen concepts of zazen (座禅) and koan (公案) emphasized alongside rituals like the recitation of nenbutsu, a practice chiefly associated with Pure Land Buddhism. The school would eventually spread to Luson province as well but would find little headway in the home island themselves outside of ports with large numbers of Chinese merchants. Meanwhile, temples aligned with other schools of Zen as well as Tendai-shu would be limited in reach in Luson outside of Japanese samurai and merchants, with only Nichiren Buddhism successfully breaking into the lower classes and the Filipino population alongside Yamato Christianity.​

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Portrait of Yinyuan Longqi​

Finally, interactions and dialogue with Buddhist monks from Siam and other countries would lead to the beginning of the tradition of pilgrimage to the holy sites of the Buddha in India, known as the Busei-junrei (仏生巡礼). After trips by Japanese Buddhist monks to other Buddhist realms like Siam gave them a taste of oceangoing travel outside Japan and a few Japanese merchants began to operate on the eastern coast of India, a Shingon-shu (真言宗)monk named Sonzen (尊然) made the first pilgrimage to all the holy sites of the Buddha in 1635 in the subcontinent, including the Bodhi tree under which the Buddha was said to have achieved enlightenment, and was the first Japanese eyewitness to local society and culture in that area. After he returned to Kyoto in 1638, he recounted his experience in his writings that came to be known as the Buseiki (仏生記). The Busseiki quickly circulated in Kyoto and beyond and in the 1640s, temples and sects sponsored numerous pilgrimages of groups of monks. Although still an uncommon and expensive phenomenon by 1650, the Bussei-junrei would enshrine itself in Japanese culture as yet another tradition and more importantly a link to the wider world.

[1]: Inspired by OTL’s kakure kirishitan

[2]: IOTL, Kennyo is permitted to re-establish Honganji in Kyoto, the present day Nishi Honganji (西本願寺), in 1591 with the permission of Toyotomi Hideyoshi.

[3]: Yinyuan Longqi left China in 1654 on the invitation of Chinese merchants in Nagasaki.

[4]: Oubaku-shu was founded 15 years earlier than IOTL.​
 
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The new chapter is really interesting Ambassador! I really like how the Christian churches are changing as they become more isolated from Europe, especially the Yamato Church, and the cultural developments that result from it. I wonder would we get statues of Jesus and Virgin Mary in Japanese styles, and the mix of Japanese architectural styles with Christian iconography would be very interesting. I also wonder which Japanese gods would become saints in Yamato christianity and in Salvationism (yay the mysterious religion finally has a name!), considering how Catholicism (and in extension Yamato Christianity) often adopts saints and the such from native religions.

I also wonder if the Japanese Buddhist's propensity of going to pilgrimages in India would spread to other areas of Asia like China and Joseon, which would make their connection to India a lot more present, and could mean that the Buddhist minority in India would experience a resurgence considering the patronage of the Asians making their way through the Subcontinent. Maybe we see a Buddhist state in Northeast India too?
There is still a chance that the Russians will take the Northern Half of Manchuria for themselves. Moreover, in fairness, Siberia of that time is not a pure example of settler colonialism. Basically, it happens like this - the Cossacks come, build a fort, smash the troops of the local "khan", and demand tribute from the locals. They were not interested in the complete displacement of the locals. At the same time, it is worth considering that the Moscow Government did not always know what to do with all this. In the case of Khabarov, they even had to send ambassadors to apologize to the Daurs and say that "Khabarov is not our man, and in general the Cossacks are not Russian."
Yeah the early exploration of the Amur basically weren't really ordained by the Russian government at all, and it was extremely hard to get to the Amur for the Russians in general, and they were mostly looking for fur and wanted to get things like food from the locals. tbf it was more like how the Spanish took over America. A serious foe would've wiped these expeditions off the map from the start, and the Joseon would have had the perfect reasons to do it (fur and expansion of the kingdom's borders to protect the heartlands of Joseon), and the land is very much farmable too especially as they get new crops like potatoes which would allow them to farm there.
 
The new chapter is really interesting Ambassador! I really like how the Christian churches are changing as they become more isolated from Europe, especially the Yamato Church, and the cultural developments that result from it. I wonder would we get statues of Jesus and Virgin Mary in Japanese styles, and the mix of Japanese architectural styles with Christian iconography would be very interesting. I also wonder which Japanese gods would become saints in Yamato christianity and in Salvationism (yay the mysterious religion finally has a name!), considering how Catholicism (and in extension Yamato Christianity) often adopts saints and the such from native religions.
Yamato Christianity isn't gonna go that far in terms of incorporating Shintoism into the faith but who knows about Salvationism...

As for Christian conceptualizations in Japanese art, that'll happen in some shape or another.
I also wonder if the Japanese Buddhist's propensity of going to pilgrimages in India would spread to other areas of Asia like China and Joseon, which would make their connection to India a lot more present, and could mean that the Buddhist minority in India would experience a resurgence considering the patronage of the Asians making their way through the Subcontinent. Maybe we see a Buddhist state in Northeast India too?
Bhutan did recently unify like in OTL so that is something to consider. The other stuff remains to be seen.
 
As I expected, the Japanese Christians didn't get too buck wild with heresy — not at first at least — as they opted to join established Buddhist temples when they opted against going all-in into the underground.

This surely will make several strains of thought not just for heretics like Salvationism, but also conformists that still subscribe to the tenets and philosophy of Pure Land and and Nichiren Buddhism.

In southern Kyushu, meanwhile, the growing number of Calvinist merchants, samurai, and even commoners saw the faith and Dutch interests in general loom large in Shimazu clan politics.

Calvinist Kagoshima and Shimazu domains — with their deterministic and vindictive moral and theological outlook — will make for quite the fanatical supporters of the Oda regime, which goes so ironically opposite from their imperialist and anti-Tokugawa incarnation, lol.

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Art of the church complex in Azuchi prior to the ban on Catholicism and the rise of Yamato Christianity

It's interesting to see pagodas granfathered into Japanese church architecture!

I also guess that they'll conduct larger masses like the ones conducted by the Archbishop during Easter on gardens by converting the surrounding buildings used as offices into temporary pews, with the temporary altars being put into its centre like these:

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Otherwise — the Shoin-zukuri buildings' large halls will still be the main places where Christian entities and organisations will put their permanent chapels upon.

By then — I wonder what the clerical clothing of Japanese Church priests are like. Was cassock widely adopted, or was kimono having its renaissance among them?
 
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Yamato Christianity isn't gonna go that far in terms of incorporating Shintoism into the faith but who knows about Salvationism...

As for Christian conceptualizations in Japanese art, that'll happen in some shape or another.
Hmm that makes sense, and I'd think Salvationism would push the merger of the two artistic styles to create something wholly unique to the religion and Japan itself.
Bhutan did recently unify like in OTL so that is something to consider. The other stuff remains to be seen.
Hmm that'd be really interesting. Maybe they take over Tibet? Would be interesting seeing them do something different, but unless the Bhutanese expanded in the Gangetic plain or the Tibetan highlands they'll be dwarfed by their neighbours.
 
I think various Japanese Buddhist Organizations will collaborate with Merchants or Similar Groups to undertake such Pilgrimage in India. It may led to religious organization itself and its laity investing in such trade Routes and creating groups to so just that to make passages far less risky. It may led to missionaries activities and later buying various Buddhist sites for restoration and expansion. We may even see Japanese buddhists joining Administration of such provinces to protect those sites and promote their agendas along with interacial marriages between them and natives. North east is ripe for missionary activities and I wonder how it will impact bengal, bihar and orissa?
 
I was thinking 'where will they get the wine' after I read that the orthodox faction won out...
Firstly, the Church of Yamato would look into solutions and deals to overcome the high cost of imported wines, ultimately investing in creating church-run vineyards in the realm itself and birthing Japan’s own wine industry.
Is Japan warm enough for wine in this time period?
This small but significant admixture of Christian and native concepts would also set a precedent and eventually lead to the creation of a new faith down the line: Kyuusei-kyo (救世教) or Salvationism.
Sounds like something that might deserve a full update down the line...
 
I was thinking 'where will they get the wine' after I read that the orthodox faction won out...

Is Japan warm enough for wine in this time period?

Sounds like something that might deserve a full update down the line...
Parts of Kyushu should in theory be warm enough to support a wine industry. If not, maybe this becomes Bireitou's new thing?

Edit: it seems IRL, Yamanashi prefecture is where Japanese wine got its first real start. Makes sense it would likely begin there too.
 
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I was thinking 'where will they get the wine' after I read that the orthodox faction won out...

Is Japan warm enough for wine in this time period?
Grape cultivation began in 718 in Kai Province and IOTL is where wine production first began in earnest before the end of the Little Ice Age.
Parts of Kyushu should in theory be warm enough to support a wine industry. If not, maybe this becomes Bireitou's new thing?

Edit: it seems IRL, Yamanashi prefecture is where Japanese wine got its first real start. Makes sense it would likely begin there too.
The Japanese wine industry doesn’t begin in Yamanashi/Kai ITTL because of the religious context it was created in. The areas that I named are wine-producing regions in the present day.
 
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I think various Japanese Buddhist Organizations will collaborate with Merchants or Similar Groups to undertake such Pilgrimage in India. It may led to religious organization itself and its laity investing in such trade Routes and creating groups to so just that to make passages far less risky. It may led to missionaries activities and later buying various Buddhist sites for restoration and expansion. We may even see Japanese buddhists joining Administration of such provinces to protect those sites and promote their agendas along with interacial marriages between them and natives. North east is ripe for missionary activities and I wonder how it will impact bengal, bihar and orissa?
Exactly. BEEG Bhutan. Seriously tho considering Bengal's power during this era tho it may be a little unfeasible, but Japanese patronage of Buddhists (prob with some sect like the Ikko Ikki which would be very interesting) running around and being anti government would be very interesting.
Calvinist Kagoshima and Shimazu domains — with their deterministic and vindictive moral and theological outlook — will make for quite the fanatical supporters of the Oda regime, which goes so ironically opposite from their imperialist and anti-Tokugawa incarnation, lol.
That is true considering how the southern regions' maritime focus are something the government of Japan ittl are focused on too, and their influence alongside Kansai would be the main cultural heart of Japan ittl. Kanto's dialects would be seen as backwards and the 'stereotypical farmer's accent', and I see them being the main 'counter culture' of Japan. They'd probably be conservatives and practice shinto and buddhism.
 
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