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(Note: this map touches on some sensitive subjects. I just want to be clear that I’m aware that there is a diversity of opinions among Israeli Arabs, and I don’t want to generalize. There is however, a significant group with no love of Israel and in a scenario like this I think it’s plausible they would try to persuade other countries to take a less than friendly stance towards the State of Israel. This map is inspired by the premise put forward by The Night Bringer in his recent WI thread, there’ve been a lot of threads in ASB speculating on an Israel ISOT, but not too many attempts to actually portray one.)

On January 1, 2014, the State of Israel including East Jerusalem and Area C of the West Bank, but not including the Gaza strip, is ISOTed to July 28, 1914- the day of the beginning of World War I. Confusion lasted long enough that by the time Israel had worked out what had happened and established lanes of communication with the rest of the world (August 5), it was too late avert the war. The Ottomans refused to recognize Israeli sovereignty, drawing Israel in and things just diverged from there.
Russia dropped out of the war in 1915 after they started to take the warnings of revolution seriously (also they weren’t terribly keen on fighting alongside a Jewish state). Unfortunately for the Tsar his efforts to hunt down revolutionary leaders just sparked the civil war early as the government cracked down on moderates as well as radicals. Meanwhile militant elements among Israeli Arabs did their best to lobby other nations to oppose Israel, they also spread technology. Although by no means state-of-the-art, the tech disseminated by Palestinians to the Central Powers was akin to World War II level, by late 1915 nations on both sides were fielding tanks and monoplanes. Germany convinced Italy to join the war alongside the CPs in 1916, America never got involved. Paris fell early that same year, the French government relocated to Bordeaux and kept fighting. In the end it was airpower that ended the war, the IDFAF began operating in France in late 1916 and Israeli tech exchange bore fruits for the Entente. The Great War ended in 1918 with the collapse of Austria-Hungary, Russia, and the Ottoman Empire, but with a much stronger Republican Germany.

A unity government under Netanyahu held until 1918, when the war ended, the subsequent election returned Likud-Beiteynu and their allies with an increased majority. Bibi pursued a hawkish foreign policy for the next three years until the government fell again, then for two years after that. As of 1924 an unstable coalition of centrists has finally retaken the Knesset. Tel Aviv is a world-class center of finance and trade, and Israel is currently running a truly massive trade surplus (thanks to exports of electronics among other things). Of course there is plenty of immigration.

Relations with the British are cordial (they’re disappointed they didn’t get more when the Ottomans came down), polite with France (they’re unhappy the Israelis were so hesitant about sharing military technology during the war) and America, and quite friendly with Japan (a country with no tradition of anti-Semitism). From the start Netanyahu decided to back Arab rebels in the OE in the hopes of creating friendly neighbors once things were over. Although a very good idea in theory, it was inexpertly executed and the results were mixed. The Hashemite family rules in Arabia, Syria, and Iraq and while the governments, upper class, and middle classes of those countries are generally pro-Israel (Israel sends them guns and money, and educates their children), the average downtime Arab is not so sure. Palestinian activists have spread plenty of stories about OTL, and there is a growing anti-Israel radical movement across the region. The fact that Israeli oil companies get special treatment and IDF bases operate on Arab soil tends not to endear Jerusalem to the inhabitants a great deal. The only significant terrorist organization (or resistance organization of freedom fighters, depending on who you ask) in the region is the Islamic Resistance Movement (acronym HAMAS, distant relative of the OTL organization). Kurdistan is much more friendly, the inhabitants of White Russian Crimea are not. Russia is a disunited patchwork of states with different ideologies, but anti-Semitism is one universal constant there. It goes without saying that Turkey hates Israel’s guts.

In general there is more anti-Semitism in the world, the appearance of a determinedly Jewish state wielding considerable economic and military power has provided plenty of ammunition for anti-Semites the world-over. Most discount stories of the Holocaust as hyperbole intended to create sympathy for Jews, even less-prejudiced people are skeptical. There are not a lot of Jews in former Russia, Austria-Hungary, Germany or Italy, most of them have left for Israel, America, or Britain. Greece in particular has a bone to pick with Jerusalem, after their civil war broke out in 1916 the IDF occupied Salonika to protect the local Jewish community and in 1920 Netanyahu annexed it as an Overseas Territory of Israel (the city was Jewish majority then, and has since become more than two thirds Jewish). Greece remains divided (the League of Nations negotiated a ceasefire in 1919), and neither half recognizes the State of Israel. Car-bombings are an occasional phenomenon in Salonika and in Rhodes (capital of the Jerusalem-backed Rhodes Free State). Israel is also protector of a Christian-majority Lebanon, and an Alawite-majority Alexandretta, both of which are okay but not terribly thrilled with the situation. Netanyahu ensured the annexation of much of what IOTL became Transjordan, with a starting Arab population of 250,000~ the territory’s demographics are changing thanks to the settlement of some half-million (and counting) Jewish immigrants there.

Germany remains a great power, although political unhappiness after the end of the war forced the Monarchy out, they avoided the violence and unrest of OTL. When the Austrian government petitioned for annexation Berlin was strong enough to ensure that it happened and the country made out much better from the treaty of Versailles. There is a significant group of unofficial Palestinian lobbyists there, and they’re convincing more than a few people to listen to them. For that matter Palestinians have been showing up in the oddest of places (much to the frustration of Mossad) and generally causing trouble for Israeli interests, from Central Asia to New York City.

Mossad’s #2 priority right at the moment is atomic weapons, the downtime nations have worked out how important they are without fully grasping how dangerous they are, which is a bad combination. (Israel is maintaining its nuclear ambiguity, Jerusalem’s worried that if they reveal they have the bomb that it will just spur other countries to develop theirs faster). America isn’t even attempting to build an atom bomb, to the consternation of the uptimers, but Britain, France and Germany are all giving it the old college try. The British brute-force approach (take lots and lots of uranium, spin it in lots and lots of centrifuges, profit) had a setback recently when they somehow managed to unintentionally assembly a critical-mass of enriched uranium without meaning to, incinerating many of their top minds in a 16-kiloton explosion. The Germans on the other hand are believed to already have a self-sustaining nuclear pile and in Jerusalem minds are turning over the possibility of an air strike…

Post Script: Like OTLs late teens and early twenties borders are still fairly fluid at this point (map is 1924) and governments rather unstable. Borders in former Russia are particularly likely to have inaccuracies. The RCW is largely burned out however, and things do appear to be settling down (for a certain value of “settle down”).
 
And here is the map.

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Interesting idea - suspect it will come back and bite them in the ass. :D One other question: I see Soviet-aligned nations, but aren't there any European Socialist Federation aligned states?

Bruce


I suspect so too :D. The Federation does not as those that usually come under its influence tend to join. I might give it some client states in South America or Africa but I haven't really decided what the situation in the Third World is.
 
A few comments, Ephraim:

1. 16 Kilotons is not a fluke - that's engineering. That's the same output as the Hiroshima bomb. You need some fairly precise ramming together of U-235 pieces with high explosive to get a yield like that. A runaway critical mass giving them all lethal radiation poisoning seems likelier...

2. I suspect Russia is going to be in rather fewer pieces before long - a lot of those states seem a bit tenuous.

3. Why haven't Hungary's neighbors piled on as OTL?

4. Bomb Germany's nuclear project. Well, that's going to do a good job on reducing that antisemitism. :p

5. I can imagine the conspiracy theorists - the Elders of Zion have sent Israel back in time with evil Einstein-science to save it from well-justified destruction and to take over the world in the past... :)

Bruce
 
Does anyone recall a map with no less than four big-ass roman successor states/empires? It was a half-globe map IIRC, and there was a big egyptian empire, a big greek empire, and I can't exactly recall the other two.

Bruce
 
Yes... A new WiP of mine, with the current year being around 1920. The basic premise is that the US ratifies the original Articles of Confederation (and with keeps it until 1784), which leads to disarray in the young union (which in turn leads to a division into 3 parts). Also Portugal and France do a lot better in their foreign policy and at home, with the latter during TTL's Revolutionary Wars becoming an Orleanist monarchy with control over the Rhineland.

And by the way, before anyone asks: That brown puppet state of the British in North America is the Indian Confederacy. Woohoo, Native American-wank! Realitvly speaking...

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Yes... A new WiP of mine, with the current year being around 1920. The basic premise is that the US ratifies the original Articles of Confederation, which leads to disarray in the young union (which in turn leads to a division into 3 parts). Also Portugal and France do a lot better in their foreign policy and at home, with the latter during TTL's Revolutionary Wars becoming an Orleanist monarchy with control over the Rhineland.

And by the way, before anyone asks: That brown puppet state of the British in North America is the Indian Confederacy. Woohoo, Native American-wank! Realitvly speaking...

Sardinia-Sicily?
 
Sardinia-Sicily?

The Bourbons in Two Sicilies remained as incompetent as IOTL and when their autocratic rule ended through revolution Sicily chose to invite the Savoyards into the country (who established a liberal-ish reputation just like OTL), while Naples chose to become a republic.
 
The Bourbons in Two Sicilies remained as incompetent as IOTL and when their autocratic rule ended through revolution Sicily chose to invite the Savoyards into the country (who established a liberal-ish reputation just like OTL), while Naples chose to become a republic.

Okay.
And how about Russian Sweden?
 
Heres a modified version of my previous map. Basically, Mongolia is now mega-China, having had a much greater level of assimilation and a negotiated takeover by a new dynasty, the Ming. So it still has a higher population than OTL without the violent transitions of Ming and Qing, and so has expanded more into Siberia and Alaska. It also has vassals across Indochina and Japan to cement itself as a world power, with the NovoRussians competing over Siberia. I also added in a Mali Empire in West Africa, an early Abyssinian kingdom in the East, and a modernising post-Inca Empire in South America. Some other changes include little cleaning up of borders and dots.
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Okay.
And how about Russian Sweden?

The dilemma of the Swedish royal family facing extinction still exists and while the King of Sweden found an outsider whom he is willing to adopt the Russians come knocking in the equivalent of the Finnish War comes knocking (albeit under somewhat different circumstances) and the Tsar proposes in the final peace treaty that he should be adopted by the Swedish king and become the new King of Sweden. With the Russians close to Stockholm and Gustav IV Adolf, fearing the worst, accepts under the condition that Sweden remains whole.
 

Faeelin

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One, I'm thinking that China had a civil war between communist factions (recalling the bit about looking for sanctuary in China being more dangerous than a concentration camp) and is (as of 2014)

It's in the middle of a Cultural Revolution, and is otherwise fine. (It got better).

Secondly, India never even came up as a possible destination or as an ally of either side: any thoughts on what India was doing in the 1960s?

The Hindutava are up to evil shit, but I'd really rather India be a firm US ally aginst the fake Aryan bastards in Germania. It didn't come up for the same reason America didn't.

Two, the Italian Empire - another color?

In purple, they look magnificent.
 
On Second Thoughts, Let's Not...

The late 1840s were a gruelling time for the peoples of Europe. The hungry forties saw the spectre of famine visit every corner of the continent from Corke to Lvov. In 1848 the French monarchy fell and the Second French Republic was installed. Little did the Jacobins know that this act would spiral into a decade of warfare which would shatter the post-Napoleonic order and forge a new, uneasy European status quo.

But this isn't really about Europe. This is about the effects of this conflict on the rest of the world. With Europe emerging from a decade of economic and military chaos, it didn't feel nearly as up to conquering the world as it had IOTL. Europe's economic recovery under a liberal bourgeois hegemony meant that there were foreign enterprises aplenty, often backed up with force, but when it came to the state's assumption of imperial duties, there was much less appetite for 'colouring in the map.'

The 1870s saw the reappearance of the Chartered Colony, something not seen since the collapse of the East India Company. European-based consortia would pool their resources into a joint-stock company for the exploration and settlement of newly discovered regions of the world, often with a protection agreement with their home country. Imperialism had, in effect, been privatised.

This is the world in 1900.

1. The German Republic. Proclaimed in 1848 in Frankfurt but only a de facto state since 1854, its constitution established it as a federal republic based on a qualified adult male suffrage, regional devolution and a parliamentary form of government based on Frankfurt. The biggest economy in Europe, although not much given to foreign adventure. Known mostly for its scientific and industrial might, as well as its arts and culture.

2. The Kingdom of Poland (Hohenzollern.) The Prussian Revolution in 1852 saw the Hohenzollerns lose Berlin but Russian intervention preserved East Prussia. After the Treaty of Breslau in 1855, they were made Kings of the new Polish kingdom, a small neutral power forged after the semi-successful 1848 Polish Rising.

3. The Kingdom of Hungary (Habsburg.) Austria eventually rose alongside Germany, but the Magyar nobility remained loyal. Unable to regain their German lands, they gradually came to enjoy the ore autocratic nature of the Hungarian constitution. Over the next thirty years they came into possession of various clippings of the Ottoman Empire. The Hungarian-Turkish War of 1894 finally halted their advance with the crushing defeat at Skopje, where the reformed Turkish army smashed the Hungarian forces and established an unassailable border in the Balkans which only a catastrophic Great Power war could threaten. But that doesn't look likely...

4. Italy's Spring of Nations was far more conservative than elsewhere. Nation and democracy went hand in hand in Germany, but not so south of the Alps, with the conservative Savoyards assuming the mantle of Italian nationalism. Naples and Sicily came to an understanding-neither side really wanted to have much to do with the other. Florence is the capital of the north, with the Pope haunting an occupied Rome.

5. The Kingdom of the Belgians survived the unrest. Partially due to a mutual feat of French/German engulfment, and partly due to British protection. While the Netherlands joined Germany, Belgium remains torn between two larger neighbours, although the addition of Luxenbourg and a frisk rate of industrialisation has proved a boon.

6. The Second French Republic. Small-l liberal, industrialisation is taking its toll on the political establishment. The rise of both the extreme left and right has taken the bourgeois establishment by surprise and grumblings among the sans culottes in Paris call for a Third Republic, while more reactionary voices look to a restored monarchy. The fact that can't choose between Bourbon, Oleans or Bonaparte makes them all but irrelevant.

7. France claims most of the northern Sahara region because of Bedouin raids on Algeria, which is a fully integrated Metropolitan region of France. There's little attempt to actually exert French jurisdiction there, but occasional Foreign Legion or other military expeditions remind people who's boss.

8. The Ottoman Empire went through a miraculous bout of reforms in the 1860s, prompted by humiliation by the Egyptians in Sinai, which centralised and rationalised its internal politics; freedom of religion, the abolition of the dhimmi tax and the establishment of a Parliament in Istanbul with the power to levy taxes and fix the line of succession have given it greater flexibility. Military reforms enacted by French advisers have given it a bit more bite, as well. The Empire is currently fighting a long war of pacification against the Bedouin in Libya as well as rebels in the Arabian peninsula. It also eyes East Africa covetously.

9. The Kingdom of Egypt under the Ali Dynasty finally achieved fully independence in 1862 following a brief and victorious war against the Turks. Relations between the two powers remain frigid and if there is going to be a shooting war it will likely start in Sinai. Egypt has risen to industrialised status due to the strength of its exports, both of cotton and of foodstuffs to the hungry mouths of Europe. Its factories dominate the Middle East and much of Africa, while its warships patrol the Red Sea and the eastern Mediterranean. The King is most proud of his own little empire in Sudan, which may actually turn a profit one day...

10. Following a catastrophic campaign in 1865, Egypt signed a peace treaty with Abyssinia recognising it as a sovereign state and agreeing a border between their possessions. Sudan is all but pacified by the King's steam river boats and breech-loaders, while Abyssinia has forged a semi-modernised state in the Horn of Africa. Two train lines cross the Empire: one from Massawa to Addis Ababa, and one from Addis to Dire Dawa.

11. The Kingdom of Buganda. Converted to Islam in the 1850s by Zanzibari traders as a shield against slaving raids. Despite some recent skirmishes with Egypt, it's maintained a sense of order in East Africa, despite the maelstrom to the South.

12. The Sultan of Zanzibar, facing bankruptcy in 1882, announced that he would sell his sovereign rights to the African interior to any interested party, subject to a British veto. Four buyers emerged from somewhat unlikely sources: British, Danish, Italian and Hungarian consortia all bought up huge stretches of the African littoral, which they hoped would net them huge rewards. The new chartered colonies are a mixed bag. The Danes and British have generally given theirs own to settlement, but the Hungarians and Italians are still prospecting hard for mineral riches, while the native indentured labourers grow ever more restless.

13. Zanzibar retained the coast after 1882, with four treaty ports established to carry any trade from the four interior zones. The Sultan receives a large annual subsidy from Britain to keep his own house in order and, most importantly, suppress the slave trade. A brief dynastic war was fought in the 1850s which saw a reunion with Oman, but the Arabian possessions are far less important and wealthy than the African ones. South Asian labour fuels a plantation economy with an Afro-Arab aristocracy quite literally holding the whip hand.

14. Chartered Colonialism reached its apogee in 1887 where the Portuguese civil war prompted an international crisis over the Congo River. Britain and America pushed for an international solution and what emerged was the Free Congo Consortium. The Consortium directly governs a thin wedge of territory on either bank of the enormous river. With over 1,000 way-stations processing ivory, rubber and, increasingly, diamonds and metals, while it has exclusive exploratory rights to most of the Congo Basin. It is controlled by a Control Board of nine members representing the USA, Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Portugal, Brazil, Belgium and the South African Republic. Free trade is enshrined in its constitution. Not nearly as brutal as OTL Congo, but nevertheless a true heart of darkness.

15. Two enormous Chartered Colonies governed by Boer companies but peopled mostly by British settlers and prospectors. The massive Boer diamond rush prompted further, and lucrative, exploration north, while the needs of settlement pushed thousands further north in what many are calling the Second Great Trek.

16. The South African Republic is a federation of the Boer Republics of Natal, Transvaal and the Orange Free State. It was touch and go for a few years following the Great Trek, but the mineral boom of the 1870s secured the republic's independence and prosperity. Strict pass laws institutionalise racism, while British settlement is concentrated in mining towns. The old Boer lifestyle has survived in some more far-flung places, but the more fortunate ones live a life of rentier luxury off the mineral rights to their land.

17. Cape Colony was glad to see the back of the Boers, and through treaties with Basutoland and Bechuanaland it is enjoying a good clip of economic growth. Somewhat disappointed to miss out on most of southern Africa's mineral boom, it's a fairly sedate place. Until the natives rise up, that is...

18. The Portuguese Civil War began in 1886 and lasted four gruelling years as the international community looked on, afraid to touch the red-hot conflict. In 1887, the Portuguese navy defected en masse to Brazil, prompting an international crisis which Britain took the lead ni resolving. The result was the partition of Portugal's vestigial empire. Brazil took its African possessions, including Cape Verde, Angola, Mozambique and Guinea. It surrendered its claim to the Congo River estuary and sold Cabinda to Germany. Its Asian possessions, including Goa and East Timor, went to Britain, as did the Azores, which became a useful Royal Navy coaling station.

19. German Cabinda. A useful diplomatic bargaining chip. Pretty useless otherwise.

20. French and Italian Equatorial Africa. Chartered Colonies specialising in rubber and human misery.

21. The Delta States were pummelled into submission by the Royal Navy in the 1860s and were forced to admit Protestant missionaries. Now heavily proselyted, there is some measure of economic development and commercial penetration, while the newly converted look uneasily at the Islamic north...

22. The Sierra Leone Company is a mixture of Protestant missionary organisation, an emancipatory haven for freed slaves, and finally and interestingly, a new Self-Reliance movement from America preaching a return to Africa. Disease-ridden and heterogeneous. Standards of living vary enormously, but development is steady, if slow. Just might make it...

23. French Senegal is another Metropolitan region, with a property qualification that has the useful benefit of excluding most blacks and other undesirables. A small European commercial elite in Dhaka pretty much rules the roost.

24. Portugal's civil war ended in 1890 with the restoration of the Braganzas. A conservative monarchy, its economy is stagnant, at best. In contrast with Spain, whose liberal monarchy avoided the worse of the 1850s and whose northern provinces are rapidly industrialising. They're just hoping Catalan separatism won't resonate...

25. The Empire of Brazil is fast becoming one of the world's foremost powers. The late abolition of slavery in 1885 didn't fundamentally change its economy-poor black labour still predominates in the enormous plantations. South America lives in its shadow.

26. Following the annexation of Chihuahua, Sonora and Baja California after the Mexican-American war and the influx of Portuguese refugees in the 1880s, the USA is actually fairly Hispanic-tolerant. Enormous European migration in the 1840s caused an economic and demographic boom. The faster westward expansion put a great deal of strain on the Union, and the election of General Fremont as the Unionist candidate in 1860 led to the secession of several southern states. The three-year Civil War left tens of thousands dead on both sides, but left the Union stronger than ever. Fremont served four terms his legacy as the Second Founder is today upheld by the Unionist Party, which has held the White house for nearly a quarter of a century due to an electoral coalition of east-coast working class, smallholder farmer and urban southern votes.

27. The Oceanian Confederacy of Britain's Australian, New Zealand and New Guinean colonies was a more ambitious sequel to the Canadian Confederation of 1864. Uniting a continent wasn't easy either time, but the unions have stuck.

28. The collapse of the Dutch monarchy in 1850 left Britain picking up the pieces of its old colonial empire. It now rules the East Indies through a swarm of client-kings, with Java a teeming metropolis with a teeming population. Second only to India in terms of crown possessions...

29. Japan was opened by French ships in the 1870s. A decade of civil war left a conservative Bakufu ascendancy accepting international trade and domestic centralisation under the Shogun. The prevailing consensus is that the Homeland Islands are sacrosanct; all trade must be carried on Japanese ships, prompting an outpouring of Japanese mercantilism. This also means they have few expansionist impulses.

30. Korea was opened more violently than Japan by the Americans. It was forced to accept the internationalisation of its commerce under a series of humiliating unequal treaties; Seoul is an international city, meaning the capital has been moved to Pyongyang. The Imperial court is very weak, with a new Korean middle class demanding political rights and reform to the current economy set-up which favours western companies which restrict opportunities for profit for Korean firms.

31. Following the lessons learned from the First Opium War, China emerged from a bout of instability in the 1840s stronger than ever; although forced to accept the opening of the Yangtze River to international trade, it has generally been able to keep control of its own borders. Internal economic development, coupled with political and military reform has left the Middle Kingdom in the best state it's been for centuries. Its defeat of Russia in the Amur War of 1892-1895 was an eye-opener for the rest of the world. It is now demanding a renegotiation of the Yangtze Accords and has stated it will support the Korean court in any potential renegotiation of its treaty obligations. The gauntlet has been thrown, but will it be picked up?

32. Tibet was too much trouble to annex outright, but a Chinese-approved Dalai Lama governs the plateau kingdom. It's still very backwards, with the highest technology around being the telegraph line from Lhasa to Beijing which keeps the Chinese Viceroy briefed.

33. The East India Company was dissolved in 1860 following yet another bankruptcy, and India placed under direct Crown control. The numerous princely states have been bolstered by successive British administrations and have almost complete autonomy, except economically, where they are completely tied into the British system. Numerous reforms have been suggested, but so long as the continent remains profitable, inertia shall determine its future...

34. Russia. Vast, impenetrable, backwards, Russia. The 1840s left it diplomatically isolated, while the rise of China has threatened its Asian pre-eminence. Domestic trouble has left the Tsar uneasy, as the rising urban classes find that the reality's Russia's international predicament doesn't match the Imperial pretences of grandeur.

MB. Do not confuse the TACOS corporate-rule colouring in China and Africa for Japan.

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Would Turkistan annexing the region be plausible?

Honestly, it probably shouldn't matter, but it depends on what you're thinking about. Will a rival "Chinese" entity flee in exile to Turkestan before it's eventually incorporated into a growing Uyghur state, or will an emerging Uyghur entity take advantage of the chaos within China Proper to expand control over the region? It's probably more likely for the Uyghurs to declare independence and stretch its borders soon afterward after incorporating various ethnic groups, which wouldn't exactly be an "annexation" to begin with.

In addition, assuming that the map depicts the general situation after 1975 or so, I find it hard to imagine Japan retaining Korea, the Chinese coastline, Vietnam, and the Philippines for long without significant disorder. China is almost certainly going to continue pursuing war with Japan until the latter gives up the coastal regions, while guerrilla operations elsewhere, with possible assistance from China, are probably going to burden Japan significantly for decades until more suitable arrangements are made. The only way this can be prevented is if everyone within "Japan" is essentially granted Japanese citizenship regardless of ethnicity, which would be extremely unlikely for various reasons.
 
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