List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II
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1912-1916: Þeodore Roosevelt (P-NY)/Hiram Johnson (P-CA)
def. Ƿoodroƿ Ƿilson (D-NJ)/Þomas Marshall (D-IN), Ƿilliam Taft (R-OH)/Nicholas Butler (R-NJ), Eugene Debs (S-IN)/Emil Seidel (S-PA)
1916-1919: Þeodore Roosevelt (P-NY)/Hiram Johnson (P-CA)
def. Judson Harmon (D-OH)/Eugene Foss (D-MA), Elihu Root (R-NY)/Albert Cummins (R-IA)
1919-1920: Hiram Johnson (P-CA)/vacant
1920-1924: Hiram Johnson (P-CA)/Gifford Pinchot (P-PA)
def. Gilbert Hitchcock (D-NE)/Al Smith (D-NY), Leonard Ƿood (R-NH)/Ƿarren Harding (R-OH)
1924-1928: Charles Ƿ. Bryan (D-NE)/Oscar UnderǷood (D-AL)
def. Gifford Pinchot (P-PA)/Burton Ƿheeler (P-MT), Frank Orren LoǷden (R-IL)/Herbert Hoover (R-CA)
This was more of a fun exercise in old English letters than a serious politicians list.
1912-1916: Þeodore Roosevelt (P-NY)/Hiram Johnson (P-CA)
def. Ƿoodroƿ Ƿilson (D-NJ)/Þomas Marshall (D-IN), Ƿilliam Taft (R-OH)/Nicholas Butler (R-NJ), Eugene Debs (S-IN)/Emil Seidel (S-PA)
1916-1919: Þeodore Roosevelt (P-NY)/Hiram Johnson (P-CA)
def. Judson Harmon (D-OH)/Eugene Foss (D-MA), Elihu Root (R-NY)/Albert Cummins (R-IA)
1919-1920: Hiram Johnson (P-CA)/vacant
1920-1924: Hiram Johnson (P-CA)/Gifford Pinchot (P-PA)
def. Gilbert Hitchcock (D-NE)/Al Smith (D-NY), Leonard Ƿood (R-NH)/Ƿarren Harding (R-OH)
1924-1928: Charles Ƿ. Bryan (D-NE)/Oscar UnderǷood (D-AL)
def. Gifford Pinchot (P-PA)/Burton Ƿheeler (P-MT), Frank Orren LoǷden (R-IL)/Herbert Hoover (R-CA)
This was more of a fun exercise in old English letters than a serious politicians list.
dirty analogues
1937-1939: Charles Lindbergh (Republican)
1936 (with Charles McNary) def. Huey Long (Democrat), William Borah (Republican)
1939-1945: Charles McNary (Republican)
1940 (with Everett Dirksen) def. Henry Wallace (Democrat)
1945-1950: Huey Long (Democrat)
1944 (with Harry Truman) def. Everett Dirksen (Republican), John Winant (Independent for America)
1948 (with Harry Truman) def. Robert Taft (Republican)
1950-1953: Scott Lucas (Democrat)
1953-1957: Earl Warren (Republican)
1952 (with Joseph McCarthy) def. Scott Lucas (Democrat)
1957-1961: Glen Taylor (Democrat)
1956 (with Estes Kefauver) def. Earl Warren (Republican), Albert Gore (Independent)
1937-1939: Charles Lindbergh (Republican)
1936 (with Charles McNary) def. Huey Long (Democrat), William Borah (Republican)
1939-1945: Charles McNary (Republican)
1940 (with Everett Dirksen) def. Henry Wallace (Democrat)
1945-1950: Huey Long (Democrat)
1944 (with Harry Truman) def. Everett Dirksen (Republican), John Winant (Independent for America)
1948 (with Harry Truman) def. Robert Taft (Republican)
1950-1953: Scott Lucas (Democrat)
1953-1957: Earl Warren (Republican)
1952 (with Joseph McCarthy) def. Scott Lucas (Democrat)
1957-1961: Glen Taylor (Democrat)
1956 (with Estes Kefauver) def. Earl Warren (Republican), Albert Gore (Independent)
It’s too bad you didn’t have any chance to put some yoghs in there.
How does Corbyn become leader here? I mean in OTL his leadership came about via a perfect storm. I mean with a national government just finished no way in hell our any Labour MPs giving him their vote to get on the ballot to "widen the debate". Plus it might not be even Corbyn who goes forward. It could be McDonnell.
Ming Campbell was leader of the Lib Dems in October 2007, not Clegg. And I highly doubt Corbyn would succeed Brown directly. Even if it was him running (he only did so because other left wingers had tried before and got utterly destroyed) the centre of gravity in the party membership was significantly to the right at this time, plus Labour still had the electoral college system for choosing it's leader.
'That' speech was actually a very poor guide to Gaitskell's views on the issue. In any case, if he only lives until '61 it doesn't seem like a conclusive way of nuking entry.
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Mayors of London
1916 - 1921: Horatio Bottomley (John Bull)
1916: Neil Primrose (Liberal); Ronald Collet Norman (National Unionist); George Lansbury (Labour)
1920: Thomas James Macnamara (Liberal and Labour); Arthur Conan Doyle (National Unionist); George Lansbury (Independent Labour)
1921 - 0000: John Burns (Liberal)
As a part of H.H. Asquith's ambitious proposal for 'Home Rule All Round,' the Prime Minister would, along with creating Irish and Scottish Parliaments - the long and colourful premiership of Robert Bontine Cunninghame Graham, 'Ar Bob,' as a generation of Scots knew him, is a story in itself, while Redmond's Ireland would quickly be dubbed 'the Ruby Isle' for the bloodshed there, perpetrated by Tom Clarke's Irish Republican Brotherhood - devolve the powers of the London County Council onto a directly elected Mayor, with the first Mayor to be elected in 1916. While there was certainly some resistance to the bill, it would ultimately pass, and soon, would-be mayors began campaigning.
With the dissolution of the LCC's Progressive and Municipal Reform Parties, which represented the national Liberal and National Unionist parties, respectively, a jolted London knew that the election had begun in earnest. The Liberals and the National Unionists began looking for candidates to represent them in the election. The Liberals would ultimately reject the aging former radical John Burns, turned Whiggish over the years, in favour of the handsome, young Under-Secretary of State of Foreign Affairs and Asquith's preferred candidate, Neil Primrose, the son of former Prime Minister Lord Rosebery. The National Unionists, meanwhile, nominated a dynast of their own, Ronald Collet Norman of the Norman banking family. Labour, meanwhile, selected the firebrand radical Councillor George Lansbury, a strong advocate of women's suffrage, primarily as a tactic to gain the endorsement of Sylvia Pankhurst, who had been milling an run for the Mayoralty as a protest candidate to campaign for women's suffrage, ultimately enacted in 1916.
And then there was Horatio Bottomley. The populist editor of John Bull and former MP was, despite his dubious parentage, his prosecution for fraud, and his subsequent bankruptcy, was still one of the most popular men in London. Thus, when he announced that he would be standing for Mayor, on a 'John Bull' ticket of his own creation, many feared that Bottomley might actually win. Bottomley, campaigning on a platform of 'Bottomley, Brains and Business,' made rousing speeches, painting himself as a representative of the "man on the street," while decrying the "deserter" Primrose, who had left London for a parliamentary seat in Cambridgeshire, and the banker Norman. As the election came closer and closer, intellectuals like George Bernard Shaw decried Bottomley as a demagogue. No one thought he would win.
And then he did. Horatio Bottomley was Mayor. Now triumphantly in office, Bottomley did little actual governing, except for cutting spending as part of his "anti-waste" platform, which brought business into government - most of his effort was focused on making his John Bull movement into "a great third party" at Westminster, led by his ally Charles Frederick Palmer and supported by newspaper magnate Lord Rothermere.
By 1920, Bottomley was as popular as ever, but now a National Unionist, Austen Chamberlain, was in 10 Downing Street, and Chamberlain wanted Bottomley out of office, as did the Leader of the Opposition, Asquith's protege Edwin Samuel Montagu. Both men were proud, however, and neither would countenance endorsing the other party's candidate, even if it meant defeating Bottomley. The Liberal candidate, the Quebec-born radical Thomas James Macnamara, would ultimately receive the endorsement of the Labour Party by a narrow vote. Out of this conference stormed George Lansbury, who stood once more as an 'Independent Labour Party' candidate. The National Unionists, meanwhile, after briefly considering putting up former PM Arthur Balfour for the Mayoralty, or even the dying Foreign Secretary, Andrew Bonar Law, ultimately chose the famed author Arthur Conan Doyle, of Sherlock Holmes fame, who had stood for the Liberal Unionists on two separate occasions. Bottomley, meanwhile, faced no competition whatsoever, and many predicted that he would win reelection. Conan Doyle, by now tired - his young son Adrian had died of the German Flu in 1919 - would do an admirable job of campaigning, but his heart was truly not in the game. Macnamara was viewed with suspicion by Liberals and Labour voters, who both saw him as neither one nor the other. Lansbury's base of support was limited, and Bottomley was just as popular as ever. He won reelection as Mayor, although by a smaller margin than in 1916.
Things soon came crashing down, however. Bottomley's criminal activity and underhanded tactics were well-known to the public - although most voters simply didn't care - but when he was accused of having used his hireling Maundy Gregory to mastermind financial schemes defrauding the entire city of London, and to even potentially have committed murder - Bottomley would later be acquitted of this charge - the city was in an uproar. Bottomley maintained that any financial impropriety was entirely accidental, but Chamberlain would have none of it, and neither would the people of London. Bottomley would ultimately resign, replaced by old John Burns by a unanimous vote of the City Council, and would soon find himself imprisoned, sewing wool bags.
London looked forward now, to a future without Horatio Bottomley. It was hard to envision for many, but the City had seen more and worse. For now, John Burns looked to London.
Mayors of London
1916 - 1921: Horatio Bottomley (John Bull)
1916: Neil Primrose (Liberal); Ronald Collet Norman (National Unionist); George Lansbury (Labour)
1920: Thomas James Macnamara (Liberal and Labour); Arthur Conan Doyle (National Unionist); George Lansbury (Independent Labour)
1921 - 0000: John Burns (Liberal)
As a part of H.H. Asquith's ambitious proposal for 'Home Rule All Round,' the Prime Minister would, along with creating Irish and Scottish Parliaments - the long and colourful premiership of Robert Bontine Cunninghame Graham, 'Ar Bob,' as a generation of Scots knew him, is a story in itself, while Redmond's Ireland would quickly be dubbed 'the Ruby Isle' for the bloodshed there, perpetrated by Tom Clarke's Irish Republican Brotherhood - devolve the powers of the London County Council onto a directly elected Mayor, with the first Mayor to be elected in 1916. While there was certainly some resistance to the bill, it would ultimately pass, and soon, would-be mayors began campaigning.
With the dissolution of the LCC's Progressive and Municipal Reform Parties, which represented the national Liberal and National Unionist parties, respectively, a jolted London knew that the election had begun in earnest. The Liberals and the National Unionists began looking for candidates to represent them in the election. The Liberals would ultimately reject the aging former radical John Burns, turned Whiggish over the years, in favour of the handsome, young Under-Secretary of State of Foreign Affairs and Asquith's preferred candidate, Neil Primrose, the son of former Prime Minister Lord Rosebery. The National Unionists, meanwhile, nominated a dynast of their own, Ronald Collet Norman of the Norman banking family. Labour, meanwhile, selected the firebrand radical Councillor George Lansbury, a strong advocate of women's suffrage, primarily as a tactic to gain the endorsement of Sylvia Pankhurst, who had been milling an run for the Mayoralty as a protest candidate to campaign for women's suffrage, ultimately enacted in 1916.
And then there was Horatio Bottomley. The populist editor of John Bull and former MP was, despite his dubious parentage, his prosecution for fraud, and his subsequent bankruptcy, was still one of the most popular men in London. Thus, when he announced that he would be standing for Mayor, on a 'John Bull' ticket of his own creation, many feared that Bottomley might actually win. Bottomley, campaigning on a platform of 'Bottomley, Brains and Business,' made rousing speeches, painting himself as a representative of the "man on the street," while decrying the "deserter" Primrose, who had left London for a parliamentary seat in Cambridgeshire, and the banker Norman. As the election came closer and closer, intellectuals like George Bernard Shaw decried Bottomley as a demagogue. No one thought he would win.
And then he did. Horatio Bottomley was Mayor. Now triumphantly in office, Bottomley did little actual governing, except for cutting spending as part of his "anti-waste" platform, which brought business into government - most of his effort was focused on making his John Bull movement into "a great third party" at Westminster, led by his ally Charles Frederick Palmer and supported by newspaper magnate Lord Rothermere.
By 1920, Bottomley was as popular as ever, but now a National Unionist, Austen Chamberlain, was in 10 Downing Street, and Chamberlain wanted Bottomley out of office, as did the Leader of the Opposition, Asquith's protege Edwin Samuel Montagu. Both men were proud, however, and neither would countenance endorsing the other party's candidate, even if it meant defeating Bottomley. The Liberal candidate, the Quebec-born radical Thomas James Macnamara, would ultimately receive the endorsement of the Labour Party by a narrow vote. Out of this conference stormed George Lansbury, who stood once more as an 'Independent Labour Party' candidate. The National Unionists, meanwhile, after briefly considering putting up former PM Arthur Balfour for the Mayoralty, or even the dying Foreign Secretary, Andrew Bonar Law, ultimately chose the famed author Arthur Conan Doyle, of Sherlock Holmes fame, who had stood for the Liberal Unionists on two separate occasions. Bottomley, meanwhile, faced no competition whatsoever, and many predicted that he would win reelection. Conan Doyle, by now tired - his young son Adrian had died of the German Flu in 1919 - would do an admirable job of campaigning, but his heart was truly not in the game. Macnamara was viewed with suspicion by Liberals and Labour voters, who both saw him as neither one nor the other. Lansbury's base of support was limited, and Bottomley was just as popular as ever. He won reelection as Mayor, although by a smaller margin than in 1916.
Things soon came crashing down, however. Bottomley's criminal activity and underhanded tactics were well-known to the public - although most voters simply didn't care - but when he was accused of having used his hireling Maundy Gregory to mastermind financial schemes defrauding the entire city of London, and to even potentially have committed murder - Bottomley would later be acquitted of this charge - the city was in an uproar. Bottomley maintained that any financial impropriety was entirely accidental, but Chamberlain would have none of it, and neither would the people of London. Bottomley would ultimately resign, replaced by old John Burns by a unanimous vote of the City Council, and would soon find himself imprisoned, sewing wool bags.
London looked forward now, to a future without Horatio Bottomley. It was hard to envision for many, but the City had seen more and worse. For now, John Burns looked to London.
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No Presidential term limits
1789-1797: George Washington (Nonpartisan)/ John Adams (Federalist)
1788: Unopposed
1792: Unopposed
1797-1799: George Washington* (Nonpartisan)/ Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican)
1796: Unopposed
1799-1801: Thomas Jefferson/ vacant (Democratic-Republican)
1801-1808: Thomas Jefferson/ Aaron Burr (Democratic-Republican)
1800: Alexander Hamilton/ Charles C. Pinckney (Federalist)
1804: Alexander Hamilton/ Charles C. Pinckney (Federalist)
1808-1810: Aaron Burr*/ James Madison (Democratic-Republican)
1808: Rufus King/ John Marshall (Federalist) and DeWitt Clinton/Jared Ingersoll (Democratic-Republican)
1810-1813: James Madison/ vacant (Democratic-Republican)
1813-1814: James Madison/ Elbridge Gerry (Democratic-Republican)
1812: Jared Ingersoll/ John Marshall (Federalist)
1814-1817: James Madison/ vacant (Democratic-Republican)
1817-1824: James Monroe / Daniel D. Tompkins (Democratic-Republican)
1816: Rufus King/ John E. Howard (Federalist)
1820: Unopposed
1825-1826: John Quincy Adams / John C. Calhoun (Democratic-Republican)*
1824: Andrew Jackson/ John C. Calhoun (Democratic-Republican), William H. Crawford/ Nathaniel Macon (Democratic-Republican), and Henry Clay/ Nathan Sanford (Democratic-Republican)
1826-1829: John Quincy Adams (National Republican)/ John C. Calhoun (Democrat)
1829-1833: Andrew Jackson/ John C. Calhoun (Democrat)
1828: John Quincy Adams/ Richard Rush (National Republican)
1833-1841: Andrew Jackson/ Martin Van Buren (Democrat)
1832: Henry Clay/ John Sergeant (National Republican)
1836: William Harry Harrison/ Francis Granger (Whig), Hugh L. White/ John Tyler (Whig), Daniel Webster/ Francis Granger (Whig), and Willie Person Mangum/ John Tyler (Whig)
1841: William Henry Harrison*/ John Tyler (Whig)
1840: Martin Van Buren/ Richard M. Johnson (Democrat)
1841-1845: John Tyler/ vacant (Whig)
1845-1849: James K. Polk/ George M. Dallas (Democrat)
1844: Henry Clay/ Theodore Frelinghuysen (Whig)
1849-1857: Martin Van Buren/ Charles F. Adams (Free Soil)
1848: Zachary Taylor/ Millard Fillmore (Whig) and Lewis Cass/ William O. Butler (Democrat)
1852: Franklin Pierce/ William R. King (Democrat) and Winfield Scott/ William A. Graham (Whig)
1857-1863: Charles F. Adams* / John C. Frémont (Republican)
1856: James Buchanan/ John C. Calhoun (Democrat) and Millard Fillmore/ Andrew J. Donelson (American)
1860: Stephen A. Douglas/ John C. Calhoun (Democrat) and John Bell/ Edward Everett (Constitution Union)
1863-1865: John C. Frémont/ vacant (Republican)
1865: John C. Frémont*/ Abraham Lincoln (National Union)
1864: Horatio Seymour/ Augustus C. Dodge (Democrat)
1865-1869: Abraham Lincoln/ vacant (National Union)
1869-1877: Abraham Lincoln/ Andrew Johnson (Republican)
1868: Horatio Seymour/ Francis P. Blair Jr. (Democrat)
1872: Thomas A. Hendricks/ Horace Greeley (Democrat)
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1. Died in Office
2. Resigned from office after his infamous duel with Alexander Hamilton. In this timeline he doesn’t kill him but cripples him.
3. Democratic-Republicans split after election
4. Assassinated
I’ll end it at Lincoln/ Johnson because the list is getting pretty long already.
So the POD is that Washington listens to the people and runs for a third term, Adams quits due to frustration with Washington’s decision and not becoming the next president. Washington picks Jefferson as his next vp and is once again unopposed. Jefferson picks Burr just like the OTL but instead of Adams they nearly beat Hamilton and Pinckney in both 1800 and 1804. Burr gets the presidency since Jefferson decides not to run for a third term, Burr is impeached after his infamous duel with Hamilton (which happens later in this timeline) and resigns leaving James Madison as President. For Madison-Quincy Adams everything goes the same as the otl including Jackson’s first and second terms but then he runs for a third term. Van Buren loses in 1840 due to the same reasons as the otl, everything goes the same for Harrison, Tyler, and Polk but instead of Zachary Taylor Van Buren gets elected instead and the free soil party changes their name to the Republicans during the 1860 election. Buren endorses Adams for president and Adams chooses Frémont as vp, the civil war breaks out just like in the otl but in 1863 he was killed by a Confederate army sharpshooter. Frémont became President and unleashed fury onto the south which the Northerns at the time demanded while his Vice President Abraham Lincoln was against. Frémont was later assassinated by John Wilkes Booth and Abraham Lincoln became President. He made Andrew Johnson his Vice President in order to appease southerners.
1789-1797: George Washington (Nonpartisan)/ John Adams (Federalist)
1788: Unopposed
1792: Unopposed
1797-1799: George Washington* (Nonpartisan)/ Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican)
1796: Unopposed
1799-1801: Thomas Jefferson/ vacant (Democratic-Republican)
1801-1808: Thomas Jefferson/ Aaron Burr (Democratic-Republican)
1800: Alexander Hamilton/ Charles C. Pinckney (Federalist)
1804: Alexander Hamilton/ Charles C. Pinckney (Federalist)
1808-1810: Aaron Burr*/ James Madison (Democratic-Republican)
1808: Rufus King/ John Marshall (Federalist) and DeWitt Clinton/Jared Ingersoll (Democratic-Republican)
1810-1813: James Madison/ vacant (Democratic-Republican)
1813-1814: James Madison/ Elbridge Gerry (Democratic-Republican)
1812: Jared Ingersoll/ John Marshall (Federalist)
1814-1817: James Madison/ vacant (Democratic-Republican)
1817-1824: James Monroe / Daniel D. Tompkins (Democratic-Republican)
1816: Rufus King/ John E. Howard (Federalist)
1820: Unopposed
1825-1826: John Quincy Adams / John C. Calhoun (Democratic-Republican)*
1824: Andrew Jackson/ John C. Calhoun (Democratic-Republican), William H. Crawford/ Nathaniel Macon (Democratic-Republican), and Henry Clay/ Nathan Sanford (Democratic-Republican)
1826-1829: John Quincy Adams (National Republican)/ John C. Calhoun (Democrat)
1829-1833: Andrew Jackson/ John C. Calhoun (Democrat)
1828: John Quincy Adams/ Richard Rush (National Republican)
1833-1841: Andrew Jackson/ Martin Van Buren (Democrat)
1832: Henry Clay/ John Sergeant (National Republican)
1836: William Harry Harrison/ Francis Granger (Whig), Hugh L. White/ John Tyler (Whig), Daniel Webster/ Francis Granger (Whig), and Willie Person Mangum/ John Tyler (Whig)
1841: William Henry Harrison*/ John Tyler (Whig)
1840: Martin Van Buren/ Richard M. Johnson (Democrat)
1841-1845: John Tyler/ vacant (Whig)
1845-1849: James K. Polk/ George M. Dallas (Democrat)
1844: Henry Clay/ Theodore Frelinghuysen (Whig)
1849-1857: Martin Van Buren/ Charles F. Adams (Free Soil)
1848: Zachary Taylor/ Millard Fillmore (Whig) and Lewis Cass/ William O. Butler (Democrat)
1852: Franklin Pierce/ William R. King (Democrat) and Winfield Scott/ William A. Graham (Whig)
1857-1863: Charles F. Adams* / John C. Frémont (Republican)
1856: James Buchanan/ John C. Calhoun (Democrat) and Millard Fillmore/ Andrew J. Donelson (American)
1860: Stephen A. Douglas/ John C. Calhoun (Democrat) and John Bell/ Edward Everett (Constitution Union)
1863-1865: John C. Frémont/ vacant (Republican)
1865: John C. Frémont*/ Abraham Lincoln (National Union)
1864: Horatio Seymour/ Augustus C. Dodge (Democrat)
1865-1869: Abraham Lincoln/ vacant (National Union)
1869-1877: Abraham Lincoln/ Andrew Johnson (Republican)
1868: Horatio Seymour/ Francis P. Blair Jr. (Democrat)
1872: Thomas A. Hendricks/ Horace Greeley (Democrat)
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1. Died in Office
2. Resigned from office after his infamous duel with Alexander Hamilton. In this timeline he doesn’t kill him but cripples him.
3. Democratic-Republicans split after election
4. Assassinated
I’ll end it at Lincoln/ Johnson because the list is getting pretty long already.
So the POD is that Washington listens to the people and runs for a third term, Adams quits due to frustration with Washington’s decision and not becoming the next president. Washington picks Jefferson as his next vp and is once again unopposed. Jefferson picks Burr just like the OTL but instead of Adams they nearly beat Hamilton and Pinckney in both 1800 and 1804. Burr gets the presidency since Jefferson decides not to run for a third term, Burr is impeached after his infamous duel with Hamilton (which happens later in this timeline) and resigns leaving James Madison as President. For Madison-Quincy Adams everything goes the same as the otl including Jackson’s first and second terms but then he runs for a third term. Van Buren loses in 1840 due to the same reasons as the otl, everything goes the same for Harrison, Tyler, and Polk but instead of Zachary Taylor Van Buren gets elected instead and the free soil party changes their name to the Republicans during the 1860 election. Buren endorses Adams for president and Adams chooses Frémont as vp, the civil war breaks out just like in the otl but in 1863 he was killed by a Confederate army sharpshooter. Frémont became President and unleashed fury onto the south which the Northerns at the time demanded while his Vice President Abraham Lincoln was against. Frémont was later assassinated by John Wilkes Booth and Abraham Lincoln became President. He made Andrew Johnson his Vice President in order to appease southerners.
I suppose a Burr / Hamilton duel could happen under these circumstances, but the reasons for it would be wildly different. IOTL, it happened after Burr lost a race for the Governorship of New York thanks to Hamilton, after he'd left the Vice Presidency.
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List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom
1945-1950: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1945: Clement Attlee (Labour), Winston Churchill (Conservative), Ernest Brown (National Liberal), Archibald Sinclair (Liberal), Richard Acland (Radical Action), Harry Pollitt (Communist), Bob Edwards (Independent Labour Party)
1950-1955: Winston Churchill (Conservative-Liberal coalition)
1950: Winston Churchill and Clement Davies (Conservative and Liberal), Clement Attlee (Labour), Megan Lloyd George (Radical)
1955-1955: Gwilym Lloyd George (Conservative-Liberal coalition)
1955-1964: Rab Butler (Conservative-Liberal coalition)
1955: Rab Butler and Gwilym Lloyd George (Conservative and Liberal), Clement Attlee (Labour), J. B. Priestley (Radical), Harry Pollitt (Communist)
1960: Rab Butler and Donald Wade (Conservative and Liberal), Herbert Morrison (Labour), J. B. Priestley (Radical)
1964-1965: Harold Macmillan (Conservative-Liberal coalition)
1965-1966: Hugh Gaitskell (Labour-Radical coalition)
1965: Hugh Gaitskell (Labour), Harold Macmillan and Julian Ridsdale (Conservative and Liberal), Thomas Sargant (Radical)
1966-1969: James Callaghan (Labour-Radical coalition)
1969-1980: Julian Amery (Conservative-Liberal coalition)
1969: Julian Amery and Oliver Smedley (Conservative and Liberal), James Callaghan (Labour), Terry Milligan (Radical)
1974: Julian Amery and Oliver Smedley (Conservative and Liberal), Roy Jenkins (Labour), Terry Milligan (Radical), Wogan Phillips, 2nd Baron Milford (Communist)
1979: Julian Amery and Mark Bonham-Carter (Conservative and Liberal), Peter Shore (Labour), Jonathon Porritt (Radical), Arthur Scargill (Communist)
1980-1984: Willie Whitelaw (Conservative-Liberal coalition)
The victory of Donald Johnson in the Chippenham by-election of 1943 laid the foundations for the establishment of the Radical Party - standing as Radical Action against the three major parties in their wartime truce, and with the financial support of Sir Richard Acland's left-libertarian Common Wealth Party, he entered Parliament and began working across party lines with Common Wealth and with the left-most part of the Liberals, whose parliamentary party he joined upon election. However, quickly, he and a few others had become disillusioned with the realities of the Liberal Party and Radical Action became an umbrella including Common Wealth and a few Independent Progressives, as well as endorsing several dozen Liberal candidates in '45.
Despite these cross-endorsements, the minor parties of Britain became even more minor after the 1945 election - the National Liberals, in an electoral agreement with the Tories, only won a dozen seats while the independent Liberals only won a few more and the non-Liberal RA MPs could, in the contemporary joke, fit in the back of a taxi. This was to change, though, as new Liberal Leader Clement Davies - despite having been endorsed by RA - grew increasingly worried by both the electoral doldrums of his party and the risks of Socialism. In 1947, therefore, he was convinced to merge with the National Liberals and continue their arrangement with the Conservatives, thereby retaining a few seats through electoral pacts while also standing down enough Liberal candidates in marginal seats to defeat the Statists once and for all in 1950. The reunited Liberals won thirty seats and, true to his word, Winston Churchill remained in coalition with his new partners despite being able to govern alone. This established a partnership which would last into modern times, although not without intermittent crises.
The other part of the agreement which Churchill abided by was electoral reform - although a distinctly watered down form, which did not change anything about rural constituencies but which fused urban seats together into multi-member STV constituencies. This effectively deprived Labour of urban safe seats and was decried as a blatant gerrymander. It also allowed the Liberals the freedom to fight the Tories in these STV constituencies, which made their deal a lot more palatable to both sides and helped maintain the image of the independence of the Liberal Party to more gullible sections of the electorate. The differences between the two parties were largely based on the Liberals' aversion to the statist economic policies pursued by the post-war Conservatives, and eventually their Free Trade position was elevated to full Libertarianism. However, their social positions varied over time without any clear rhyme or reason.
Meanwhile, upon the reunion of the Liberals, the left of the party was aghast at betraying the ideals of Keynes and Beveridge for electoral advantage, and Megan Lloyd-George, Donald Johnson, Margery Corbett Ashby and a few others split off - their destination was the Radical Action coalition, which now resolved itself into a fully-fledged party, flying the green-white-red tricolour of the 19th century Chartists and espousing a democratic and liberal road to socialism. 1950 was a tough election, but subsequently the ease of winning seats in multi-member urban electorates gave a boost to the Radicals - as did a largely high-profile and popular string of leaders, not least Indian-born veteran and jazz singer Terry Milligan. The high point was unquestionably their coalition agreement with Labour which, despite an alleged Curse on the ministry, delivered long-time Radical talking points of co-operativisation of the railways, legalised abortion and homosexuality - and, the demand which was said to have consigned Hugh Gaitskell to an early grave, Nuclear Disarmament. Since those days, the Radicals have focused more and more on ecological issues.
The final minor party was the Communist Party of Great Britain, which won two seats in the first PR election but immediately lost them due to the party's unpopular position on the Soviet occupation of Sweden. They only worked themselves back up to victory in the Commons when Jimmy Reid's work on Red Clydeside paid off electorally. Subsequently, the CPGB surged in the polls, taking left-wing anti-Labour votes from the now-firmly-ecologist Radicals and more orthodox left-wingers from the left wing of Labour. Flurries of speculation that Tony Benn would defect were, however, baseless. As the Communists returned to prominence, though, it became clearer to the electorate that the party was ideologically riven between the Orthodox Stalinists they thought they were voting for and a cadre of academic Eurocommunists who thought that black people mattered.
The next election, the first to be contested by moderate Tory PM Willie Whitelaw, are expected to result in the first defeat of the Con-Libs in twenty years, although fears that Edmund Dell will be reliant on the Radicals and, even worse, Miliband, could well be a turn-off to voters.
1945-1950: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1945: Clement Attlee (Labour), Winston Churchill (Conservative), Ernest Brown (National Liberal), Archibald Sinclair (Liberal), Richard Acland (Radical Action), Harry Pollitt (Communist), Bob Edwards (Independent Labour Party)
1950-1955: Winston Churchill (Conservative-Liberal coalition)
1950: Winston Churchill and Clement Davies (Conservative and Liberal), Clement Attlee (Labour), Megan Lloyd George (Radical)
1955-1955: Gwilym Lloyd George (Conservative-Liberal coalition)
1955-1964: Rab Butler (Conservative-Liberal coalition)
1955: Rab Butler and Gwilym Lloyd George (Conservative and Liberal), Clement Attlee (Labour), J. B. Priestley (Radical), Harry Pollitt (Communist)
1960: Rab Butler and Donald Wade (Conservative and Liberal), Herbert Morrison (Labour), J. B. Priestley (Radical)
1964-1965: Harold Macmillan (Conservative-Liberal coalition)
1965-1966: Hugh Gaitskell (Labour-Radical coalition)
1965: Hugh Gaitskell (Labour), Harold Macmillan and Julian Ridsdale (Conservative and Liberal), Thomas Sargant (Radical)
1966-1969: James Callaghan (Labour-Radical coalition)
1969-1980: Julian Amery (Conservative-Liberal coalition)
1969: Julian Amery and Oliver Smedley (Conservative and Liberal), James Callaghan (Labour), Terry Milligan (Radical)
1974: Julian Amery and Oliver Smedley (Conservative and Liberal), Roy Jenkins (Labour), Terry Milligan (Radical), Wogan Phillips, 2nd Baron Milford (Communist)
1979: Julian Amery and Mark Bonham-Carter (Conservative and Liberal), Peter Shore (Labour), Jonathon Porritt (Radical), Arthur Scargill (Communist)
1980-1984: Willie Whitelaw (Conservative-Liberal coalition)
The victory of Donald Johnson in the Chippenham by-election of 1943 laid the foundations for the establishment of the Radical Party - standing as Radical Action against the three major parties in their wartime truce, and with the financial support of Sir Richard Acland's left-libertarian Common Wealth Party, he entered Parliament and began working across party lines with Common Wealth and with the left-most part of the Liberals, whose parliamentary party he joined upon election. However, quickly, he and a few others had become disillusioned with the realities of the Liberal Party and Radical Action became an umbrella including Common Wealth and a few Independent Progressives, as well as endorsing several dozen Liberal candidates in '45.
Despite these cross-endorsements, the minor parties of Britain became even more minor after the 1945 election - the National Liberals, in an electoral agreement with the Tories, only won a dozen seats while the independent Liberals only won a few more and the non-Liberal RA MPs could, in the contemporary joke, fit in the back of a taxi. This was to change, though, as new Liberal Leader Clement Davies - despite having been endorsed by RA - grew increasingly worried by both the electoral doldrums of his party and the risks of Socialism. In 1947, therefore, he was convinced to merge with the National Liberals and continue their arrangement with the Conservatives, thereby retaining a few seats through electoral pacts while also standing down enough Liberal candidates in marginal seats to defeat the Statists once and for all in 1950. The reunited Liberals won thirty seats and, true to his word, Winston Churchill remained in coalition with his new partners despite being able to govern alone. This established a partnership which would last into modern times, although not without intermittent crises.
The other part of the agreement which Churchill abided by was electoral reform - although a distinctly watered down form, which did not change anything about rural constituencies but which fused urban seats together into multi-member STV constituencies. This effectively deprived Labour of urban safe seats and was decried as a blatant gerrymander. It also allowed the Liberals the freedom to fight the Tories in these STV constituencies, which made their deal a lot more palatable to both sides and helped maintain the image of the independence of the Liberal Party to more gullible sections of the electorate. The differences between the two parties were largely based on the Liberals' aversion to the statist economic policies pursued by the post-war Conservatives, and eventually their Free Trade position was elevated to full Libertarianism. However, their social positions varied over time without any clear rhyme or reason.
Meanwhile, upon the reunion of the Liberals, the left of the party was aghast at betraying the ideals of Keynes and Beveridge for electoral advantage, and Megan Lloyd-George, Donald Johnson, Margery Corbett Ashby and a few others split off - their destination was the Radical Action coalition, which now resolved itself into a fully-fledged party, flying the green-white-red tricolour of the 19th century Chartists and espousing a democratic and liberal road to socialism. 1950 was a tough election, but subsequently the ease of winning seats in multi-member urban electorates gave a boost to the Radicals - as did a largely high-profile and popular string of leaders, not least Indian-born veteran and jazz singer Terry Milligan. The high point was unquestionably their coalition agreement with Labour which, despite an alleged Curse on the ministry, delivered long-time Radical talking points of co-operativisation of the railways, legalised abortion and homosexuality - and, the demand which was said to have consigned Hugh Gaitskell to an early grave, Nuclear Disarmament. Since those days, the Radicals have focused more and more on ecological issues.
The final minor party was the Communist Party of Great Britain, which won two seats in the first PR election but immediately lost them due to the party's unpopular position on the Soviet occupation of Sweden. They only worked themselves back up to victory in the Commons when Jimmy Reid's work on Red Clydeside paid off electorally. Subsequently, the CPGB surged in the polls, taking left-wing anti-Labour votes from the now-firmly-ecologist Radicals and more orthodox left-wingers from the left wing of Labour. Flurries of speculation that Tony Benn would defect were, however, baseless. As the Communists returned to prominence, though, it became clearer to the electorate that the party was ideologically riven between the Orthodox Stalinists they thought they were voting for and a cadre of academic Eurocommunists who thought that black people mattered.
The next election, the first to be contested by moderate Tory PM Willie Whitelaw, are expected to result in the first defeat of the Con-Libs in twenty years, although fears that Edmund Dell will be reliant on the Radicals and, even worse, Miliband, could well be a turn-off to voters.
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