Keynes' Cruisers Volume 2
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This has been a great trip and I can understand your desire to bring it to an end. That said, I would really like to see a post war summary. Say something like "Twenty years after" that would show how the differences continued into the future.
At a guess, if the Russians don't get to invade Manchuria, Mao either loses or has a much harder time winning the Chinese Civil War. No divided Korea and either no Malaya emergency or one that ends sooner. Europe's is still divided but the borders may be different. Perhaps Poland doesn't get moved West.
At a guess, if the Russians don't get to invade Manchuria, Mao either loses or has a much harder time winning the Chinese Civil War. No divided Korea and either no Malaya emergency or one that ends sooner. Europe's is still divided but the borders may be different. Perhaps Poland doesn't get moved West.
The war's over, the war's over kiss your wives, hug your kids, sing and dance the war's over!!!
The future I am most curious is Manchuria because I can imagine a united Korea just being like South Korea today but bigger. Manchuria on the other hand, what happens there?
Does it become an independent state?
re-join China while China is in the middle of a civil war technically?
does Russia invade it anyway?
Or does it get split between multiple countries of Russia, united Korea, China and we get an enlarged Mongolia too?
I have no idea
The future I am most curious is Manchuria because I can imagine a united Korea just being like South Korea today but bigger. Manchuria on the other hand, what happens there?
Does it become an independent state?
re-join China while China is in the middle of a civil war technically?
does Russia invade it anyway?
Or does it get split between multiple countries of Russia, united Korea, China and we get an enlarged Mongolia too?
I have no idea
It's not over yet as soon comes the most tedious part left, the aftermath and reparations. The Trials, Executions and the Demilitarization.
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Messy stuff... Population relocations may also be part of the aftermath too.
What happens in Indochina too? The French are emerging from the war in better condition than OTL, but how does that impact their colonial/decolonial views?
That is an interesting question, especially if the Fench decide to bite the bullet and negotiate the independence of Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos so they can concentrate on better integrating their province on the other side of the Med, Algeria.
well a earlier end to the war means a million plus people probably get to live. which is a big bonus in the grand scheme of things
Most likely the Red Army would still cross the border anyway, under pretext of "enforcing Potsdam Declaration" (USSR was member of UN) ITTL.
Vast majority of Manchukuo was Han Chinese, Manchus were even outnumbered by Koreans, legally it belong to Republic of China before Mukden Incident, most possibly it would played out as IOTL: Stalin used the garrison as leverage to force Chiang to admit Mongolian People's Republic.
Hopefully someone higher up in the US sent fleet of Douglas C-54 Skymaster with troop to key airfields at northern Korea upon Japan surrender.
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Near Hachijo, Japan July 28, 1945
USS North Carolina took up her station as determined by her war time honors. She steamed behind Massachusetts, and both were led by Washington. The other column had the fleet flag ship Missouri in the lead followed by Alabama and then Iowa. Colorado, Maryland and West Virginia made up the third and slow division. King George V led the fourth battle division with Prince of Wales and Howe following her. Richeleau was followed first by Strasbourg and then by Hood.
The fifteen heavy gun ships were surrounded by escorts. The Australians were leading the heavy cruiser columns while a Dutch light cruiser coordinated destroyers from eight navies. By mid day, sailing and steaming orders had been sorted out and the crews had sore elbows from polishing brass and prettying up their ships. Before nightfall, the carriers had turned into the wind and launched deck load strikes that endlessly passed over the battle squadrons.
The fleet that would accept the surrender by entering Tokyo Bay headed north at a leisurely pace as the sky turned dark. Every radar was on, and the destroyer screens had been pushed far forward. Until 0430, no contacts larger than a log or more active than a whale had been detected. A destroyer rendezvoused with an unarmed Japanese pilot boat just outside of the harbor defenses and the ninety ships of the fleet slowly entered Tokyo Bay with their guns manned but barrels down and on the centerline. Action was not expected, but violence was readied.
USS North Carolina took up her station as determined by her war time honors. She steamed behind Massachusetts, and both were led by Washington. The other column had the fleet flag ship Missouri in the lead followed by Alabama and then Iowa. Colorado, Maryland and West Virginia made up the third and slow division. King George V led the fourth battle division with Prince of Wales and Howe following her. Richeleau was followed first by Strasbourg and then by Hood.
The fifteen heavy gun ships were surrounded by escorts. The Australians were leading the heavy cruiser columns while a Dutch light cruiser coordinated destroyers from eight navies. By mid day, sailing and steaming orders had been sorted out and the crews had sore elbows from polishing brass and prettying up their ships. Before nightfall, the carriers had turned into the wind and launched deck load strikes that endlessly passed over the battle squadrons.
The fleet that would accept the surrender by entering Tokyo Bay headed north at a leisurely pace as the sky turned dark. Every radar was on, and the destroyer screens had been pushed far forward. Until 0430, no contacts larger than a log or more active than a whale had been detected. A destroyer rendezvoused with an unarmed Japanese pilot boat just outside of the harbor defenses and the ninety ships of the fleet slowly entered Tokyo Bay with their guns manned but barrels down and on the centerline. Action was not expected, but violence was readied.
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Harbin, Manchuria July 29, 1945
Already, half a dozen Avro Yorks had landed. The first three carried men from the US 14th Air Force. They had the equipment to re-mark the air strip and set up new landing lights for the follow-on flights. The next three aircraft had a company of American paratroopers who had staged out of Manilla to Hong Kong and now were landing almost in Siberia. The rest of the RAF squadron and two squadrons of American transports were carrying over a battalion of Chinese Nationalist troops.
Throughout the afternoon, the Japanese garrison in the city maintained order armed only with billy clubs and loud whistles. By nightfall, the first KMT patrols were walking through a city that their government had lost when most of the soldiers were merely children. Once or twice shots rang out as guerillas who had fought the Japanese for a decade registered their disgust at the capitalist lackeys who were replacing one occupation with another.
Early the following morning, reports were arriving at Harbin that the Red Army had started to seize critical road and rail junctions near the border in order to promote pacification and rapid demilitarization of the Japanese army.
Already, half a dozen Avro Yorks had landed. The first three carried men from the US 14th Air Force. They had the equipment to re-mark the air strip and set up new landing lights for the follow-on flights. The next three aircraft had a company of American paratroopers who had staged out of Manilla to Hong Kong and now were landing almost in Siberia. The rest of the RAF squadron and two squadrons of American transports were carrying over a battalion of Chinese Nationalist troops.
Throughout the afternoon, the Japanese garrison in the city maintained order armed only with billy clubs and loud whistles. By nightfall, the first KMT patrols were walking through a city that their government had lost when most of the soldiers were merely children. Once or twice shots rang out as guerillas who had fought the Japanese for a decade registered their disgust at the capitalist lackeys who were replacing one occupation with another.
Early the following morning, reports were arriving at Harbin that the Red Army had started to seize critical road and rail junctions near the border in order to promote pacification and rapid demilitarization of the Japanese army.
Take your bets, which ship is the Instrument of surrender being signed on, I would think either Washington or one of the pearl harbor survivors
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