From time to time the issue of what would happen if Elizabeth didn't die in 1762 and the Seven Years War continue crop up.
Another interesting - at least from at Danish point of view - is what would happen if Karl Peter Ulrich, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorp successor to Elizabeth weren't dethroned by his wife, Catherine following his ascession of the throne and making peace with Prussia and then going for Denmark to settle the old score of his line with the Kings of Denmark(-Norway).
Now the time is ripe for checking this out! - no the Like Vultures! TL isn't dead yet, but I always find the going through of the Middle Ages to be a slugfest. There never seems to be an end to it.
This time the clock is set for 1762 - be warned though: butterflies will be greater in numbers than usual!
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]For six years war had raged in central Europe. During these years King Frederick 2. of Prussia had been able to defeat and keep his enemies at bay supported by British subsidiaries. But now his enemies had a firm grasp at his throat. Russian troops had entered Berlin and defeat loomed ahead.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]But then Empress Elizabeth died making way for her successor prince Karl Peter Ulrich of the Holstein-Gottorp line; age old enemy of the Kingdom of Denmark.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]And if by the whim of a faerie this new Tsar Peter 3. showed himself an admirer of Frederick 2. and hurried to make peace and instead turned his gaze on this old enemy of his line - the King of Denmark. The Russian army was told to leave Berlin and march on Denmark.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]As war and defeat loomed ahead the Danish government hired a French General and raised the largest army ever seen and sent it into Mecklenburg to meet the mighty foe. And the navy put to sea to deter any seaborne threats.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]But then once again the faerie intervened and Tsar Peter was dethroned by his wife Catherine. Denmark was saved and the resolve to stand fast much celebrated.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]And all of this is a true story![/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]But what if Catherine's coup had been foiled in its initial stages...?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]1762[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]The death of Empress Elizabeth pawed the way to the throne for prince Karl Peter Ulrich which he ascended as Tsar Peter 3.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Turning about in a most impressive way he made peace with Prussia and turned his attention towards Denmark-Norway to wipe the board of time and events passed since 1721 – the downfall of Holstein-Gottorp.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]As the Russian armies turned North Danish foreign Minister JHE Bernstorff (of Hanover descent) turned his attention towards the west mobilizing all diplomatic effort to win Britain and the United Provinces for his course. Meanwhile the Danish army was mobilizing and General Count Claude Louis de Saint-Germain led it into Mecklenburg to await the Russian onslaught.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]The Danish-Norwegian Navy was likewise brought up to strength and a fleet of 14 Ships of the line sent into the Baltic to watch the flank of the army and prepare for countering possible Russian Naval expeditions.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Off we go to the POD:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Even if it doesn't seem so, to those living in the days past JHE Bernstorff were aware of Elizabeth's health and was working to be prepared for the day of her passing.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]He tried to secure the back of the Kingdom but was unsuccessful. Only the 1758 alliance with France stood as firm as its parties believed it to be.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]And Bernstorff would very much like Britain as a partner for his King. Even if said King was a drunkard! But Frederick 5. was sovereign and autocratic King and everybody had to obey him.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Bernstorff would also try the Grand Duke and to this sent emissaries to St. Petersburg. Not that it mattered much though.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Military preparations were made. Count Claude Louis de Saint-Germain entered service of the Danish-Norwegian King and began drilling the army. The contingent in Holstein steadily increased from the treaty obligations of 1758 of 24000 to 37000 in 1762.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]The Navy was put on a war footing. Initially 24 Ships of the Line, 12 frigates and two smaller ships were ordered to be fitted out but by 1762 this had been turned into 14 Ships of the Line with six frigates and a number of lesser units ready to meet the Russian threat presented by Admiral Spiridow and his 17 Ships of the Line.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]As the death of Elizabeth was known on January 19. King Frederick 2. of Prussia rushed to acknowledge Tsar Peters demanding the Gottorp parts of Holstein and perhaps those of Slesvig. Frederick offered Prussian troops at the disposal of the Tsar.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Nobody wanted to stand beside Denmark-Norway in this dark hour! [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Britain declared neutrality, Austria offered to subsidize the Russian campaign and Prussia had already made peace with Russia and made her stand clear. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Sweden had made peace with Prussia and declared neutrality – but firmly rejected the demands of the Tsar of Naval support (and getting Norway in return). If any help Denmark-Norway would only meet the Russians on the Baltic.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]The French seemed to remain an ally, but its coffers were empty and no help available.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Tsar Peter demanded mediation to be held in Berlin starting on July 12. Both sides were determined not to cede any ground – the Danes wanted to gain time, the Russians were eager to get a short end to it. Eight days were their time frame.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]But events pointing to war had been obvious even before. On May 28. the troops of the Duchy of Gottorp had been marched off to Kolberg in Pommern to join the Russian army of General Rumiantzev's 40000 troops. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Two days later Rumiantzev were ordered by the Tsar to make preparations for war against Denmark-Norway and stockpile provisions.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]General Saint-Germain had asked for permission to march into Lübeck and Mecklenburg since the decision to adopt his plan of campaign March 22. but were only allowed to do so on June 29. The Government of the King of Denmark-Norway didn't want to be seen as the aggressor![/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]On July 9. Saint-Germain ordered his troops to enter Mecklenburg and prepare for battle in a line between Warnau – Wahren which was reached on July 13. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Only the scouting patrols of cavalry of the opposing sides had watched each others movements at this time.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]The Mecklenburgers saw the Danish-Norwegian army as the lesser evil especially in light of Prussian occupation earlier in the year and subsequent war taxing and taking of hostages before the Prussians withdrew![/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]But as negotiators approached Berlin and the armies marched into Mecklenburg and ships ploughed the waves of the Baltic a coup was attempted in St. Petersburg by Peters consort Catherine! Unfortunately somebody within the circle of the coup-makers talked a bit too much[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]POD:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]and the Tsar was able to roll up the coup on July 9. Catherine was quietly put off to a nunnery and her associates publicly executed. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Peter was now firm in the saddle.[/FONT]
Another interesting - at least from at Danish point of view - is what would happen if Karl Peter Ulrich, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorp successor to Elizabeth weren't dethroned by his wife, Catherine following his ascession of the throne and making peace with Prussia and then going for Denmark to settle the old score of his line with the Kings of Denmark(-Norway).
Now the time is ripe for checking this out! - no the Like Vultures! TL isn't dead yet, but I always find the going through of the Middle Ages to be a slugfest. There never seems to be an end to it.
This time the clock is set for 1762 - be warned though: butterflies will be greater in numbers than usual!
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[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Karl Peter Ulrich's War![/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]For six years war had raged in central Europe. During these years King Frederick 2. of Prussia had been able to defeat and keep his enemies at bay supported by British subsidiaries. But now his enemies had a firm grasp at his throat. Russian troops had entered Berlin and defeat loomed ahead.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]But then Empress Elizabeth died making way for her successor prince Karl Peter Ulrich of the Holstein-Gottorp line; age old enemy of the Kingdom of Denmark.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]And if by the whim of a faerie this new Tsar Peter 3. showed himself an admirer of Frederick 2. and hurried to make peace and instead turned his gaze on this old enemy of his line - the King of Denmark. The Russian army was told to leave Berlin and march on Denmark.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]As war and defeat loomed ahead the Danish government hired a French General and raised the largest army ever seen and sent it into Mecklenburg to meet the mighty foe. And the navy put to sea to deter any seaborne threats.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]But then once again the faerie intervened and Tsar Peter was dethroned by his wife Catherine. Denmark was saved and the resolve to stand fast much celebrated.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]And all of this is a true story![/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]But what if Catherine's coup had been foiled in its initial stages...?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]1762[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]The death of Empress Elizabeth pawed the way to the throne for prince Karl Peter Ulrich which he ascended as Tsar Peter 3.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Turning about in a most impressive way he made peace with Prussia and turned his attention towards Denmark-Norway to wipe the board of time and events passed since 1721 – the downfall of Holstein-Gottorp.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]As the Russian armies turned North Danish foreign Minister JHE Bernstorff (of Hanover descent) turned his attention towards the west mobilizing all diplomatic effort to win Britain and the United Provinces for his course. Meanwhile the Danish army was mobilizing and General Count Claude Louis de Saint-Germain led it into Mecklenburg to await the Russian onslaught.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]The Danish-Norwegian Navy was likewise brought up to strength and a fleet of 14 Ships of the line sent into the Baltic to watch the flank of the army and prepare for countering possible Russian Naval expeditions.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Off we go to the POD:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Even if it doesn't seem so, to those living in the days past JHE Bernstorff were aware of Elizabeth's health and was working to be prepared for the day of her passing.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]He tried to secure the back of the Kingdom but was unsuccessful. Only the 1758 alliance with France stood as firm as its parties believed it to be.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]And Bernstorff would very much like Britain as a partner for his King. Even if said King was a drunkard! But Frederick 5. was sovereign and autocratic King and everybody had to obey him.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Bernstorff would also try the Grand Duke and to this sent emissaries to St. Petersburg. Not that it mattered much though.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Military preparations were made. Count Claude Louis de Saint-Germain entered service of the Danish-Norwegian King and began drilling the army. The contingent in Holstein steadily increased from the treaty obligations of 1758 of 24000 to 37000 in 1762.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]The Navy was put on a war footing. Initially 24 Ships of the Line, 12 frigates and two smaller ships were ordered to be fitted out but by 1762 this had been turned into 14 Ships of the Line with six frigates and a number of lesser units ready to meet the Russian threat presented by Admiral Spiridow and his 17 Ships of the Line.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]As the death of Elizabeth was known on January 19. King Frederick 2. of Prussia rushed to acknowledge Tsar Peters demanding the Gottorp parts of Holstein and perhaps those of Slesvig. Frederick offered Prussian troops at the disposal of the Tsar.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Nobody wanted to stand beside Denmark-Norway in this dark hour! [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Britain declared neutrality, Austria offered to subsidize the Russian campaign and Prussia had already made peace with Russia and made her stand clear. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Sweden had made peace with Prussia and declared neutrality – but firmly rejected the demands of the Tsar of Naval support (and getting Norway in return). If any help Denmark-Norway would only meet the Russians on the Baltic.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]The French seemed to remain an ally, but its coffers were empty and no help available.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Tsar Peter demanded mediation to be held in Berlin starting on July 12. Both sides were determined not to cede any ground – the Danes wanted to gain time, the Russians were eager to get a short end to it. Eight days were their time frame.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]But events pointing to war had been obvious even before. On May 28. the troops of the Duchy of Gottorp had been marched off to Kolberg in Pommern to join the Russian army of General Rumiantzev's 40000 troops. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Two days later Rumiantzev were ordered by the Tsar to make preparations for war against Denmark-Norway and stockpile provisions.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]General Saint-Germain had asked for permission to march into Lübeck and Mecklenburg since the decision to adopt his plan of campaign March 22. but were only allowed to do so on June 29. The Government of the King of Denmark-Norway didn't want to be seen as the aggressor![/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]On July 9. Saint-Germain ordered his troops to enter Mecklenburg and prepare for battle in a line between Warnau – Wahren which was reached on July 13. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Only the scouting patrols of cavalry of the opposing sides had watched each others movements at this time.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]The Mecklenburgers saw the Danish-Norwegian army as the lesser evil especially in light of Prussian occupation earlier in the year and subsequent war taxing and taking of hostages before the Prussians withdrew![/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]But as negotiators approached Berlin and the armies marched into Mecklenburg and ships ploughed the waves of the Baltic a coup was attempted in St. Petersburg by Peters consort Catherine! Unfortunately somebody within the circle of the coup-makers talked a bit too much[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]POD:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]and the Tsar was able to roll up the coup on July 9. Catherine was quietly put off to a nunnery and her associates publicly executed. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Peter was now firm in the saddle.[/FONT]