DBWI no restoration of the republic of the rio grande

[West]

Initially formed in 1840 the first republic was crushed by mexican troops, its leader Jesús de Cárdenas fled with some of his men into Texas while others hid, when the Mexican american war happend Cardenas agreed to help american troops with inteligence, maps and guides and other help in exchange for the restoration of the republic. When Mexico lost the war the small republic was restored and remains a country to this day but what if the restoration didn't happen how would the history of the americas and the world change?

 

[John_Smith12]

Maybe the Yucatan wouldn't have left the Empire and we wouldn't have had a bunch of socialist states in South America

 

[Strategos' Risk]

Ironically losing the region was probably healthier for Mexico in the long run. With all of the subsequent civil war and political instability, who knows if the U.S. might have annexed more of the country if not for a buffer state in the way.

 

[Strategos' Risk]

OOC fun fact: the Republic of the Rio Grande might not have actually been an independence movement at all, and the name might've been invented by a Serbian Texan immigrant.

Was the Republic of the Rio Grande trying to be a sovereign country at all?

Was the Republic of the Rio Grande a genuine attempt at creating a new nation, similar to the Republic of Texas, or was it merely an internal rebellion aimed at opposing the Centralist government of Santa Anna? Flags of the World quotes a Mexican historian in saying that it was the latter and...

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[West]

Ironically losing the region was probably healthier for Mexico in the long run. With all of the subsequent civil war and political instability, who knows if the U.S. might have annexed more of the country if not for a buffer state in the way.

That reminds me of the time the Grandees asked for a freeze on interest on their loans to from the united states.

You had one senator ask why america should freeze the interest on their loans and the diplomat simply said.

"If we collapse you will share a boarder with Mexico."

The interest on those loans was permantly frozen, and after the great depression they were fully paid back.

 

[Strategos' Risk]

True enough, and it was probably because of not wanting to share a border that the Frémont administration deigned to attack Rio Grande even after President Vidaurri arrogantly adopted pro-Confederate diplomatic and trade policies. (But as they say, turnaround is fair play- it can be argued that the Riograndeans were just trying to do America what had been done to Mexico) The U.S. didn't even support Juarez in trying to recapture the region, until Vidaurri started supporting the French intervention.

 

[West]

True enough, and it was probably because of not wanting to share a border that the Frémont administration deigned to attack Rio Grande even after President Vidaurri arrogantly adopted pro-Confederate diplomatic and trade policies. (But as they say, turnaround is fair play- it can be argued that the Riograndeans were just trying to do America what had been done to Mexico) The U.S. didn't even support Juarez in trying to recapture the region, until Vidaurri started supporting the French intervention.

The grandees have always been experts in playing off the yankee's fear of the chaos in mexico and Mexicos fear of yankee conquest.

Maybe the Yucatan wouldn't have left the Empire and we wouldn't have had a bunch of socialist states in South America

Pretty sure that had more to do with the Empires defeat in the war against the central american alliance.

 

[John_Smith12]

Pretty sure that had more to do with the Empires defeat in the war against the central american alliance.

Ironically it was the Yucatán that lost it for us, the bloody separatists kept blowing up railways and depots. They were terrorists and Maximilian II constant babying of the situation made them bold

 

[West]

Ironically it was the Yucatán that lost it for us, the bloody separatists kept blowing up railways and depots. They were terrorists and Maximilian II constant babying of the situation made them bold

The fact that Jose Luis Huici Imbezzeled funds that were supposed to go into training, arming and feeding the troops while selling mexican state secrets probally hurt the war effort more then the Seperatists did. I mean there is a reason why the government melted down 30 silver coins into bullets and shot him with them.

 

[Mort the Reaper]

The fact that Jose Luis Huici Imbezzeled funds that were supposed to go into training, arming and feeding the troops while selling mexican state secrets probally hurt the war effort more then the Seperatists did. I mean there is a reason why the government melted down 30 silver coins into bullets and shot him with them.

Honestly, it's hard to point to one single thing as the factor that decided the war's outcome.

(OOC: I misread the title as "no reforestation" at first)

 

[John_Smith12]

Honestly, it's hard to point to one single thing as the factor that decided the war's outcome.

(OOC: I misread the title as "no reforestation" at first)

Probably when they encircled the Army of the Center and seized Veracruz? Or when the British and Americans made it clear that they valued the Panama canal more than Mexico