A Mexican "Victory": A short North American Timeline

Alright so a challenge in this thread (Warning there are some spoilers in that thread)made me write a scenario that now evolved into a TL about a Mexico that does better off in the second half of the 19th century. After a different Mex-American war. It will be short just a few updates long, unless it really gathers interest.

A Mexican "Victory"

Declarations of War

In the fall of 1845 the character of Mexico City was tense; the National Palace erupted with nationalistic boasts generals and congressmen who lusted for war against the United States; earlier that year news had arrived that the American congress had approved the annexation of the “Republic of Texas”, a territory that most of the delegates present in Mexico City believed was rightfully Mexican. “Por la Patria!” “Y por integridad nacional!” had become a frequent chant in the halls of the Palace. With the news of annexation, a letter from Juan N. Alamonte, Mexico’s ambassador to the US, had arrived urging Mexico to declare war stating that war could be easily won since the US was divided internally over issues of slavery and expansion; inciting a slave revolt or finding an alliance amongst the US’s native Indians wouldn’t be difficult. President José Joaquín Herrera, however was not as enthusiastic. Or rather he had a more realistic view of the situation.
Over the next months the President had met continuously with, Richard Pakenham, the British liaison in Mexico City. Pakenham was as ambitious as the Americans with a clear goal of securing British interests in California and preventing the U.S. from reaching the Pacific. Most in congress saw Herrera’s meetings with Pakenham as treason but as long as he didn’t receive, the American ambassador no one was going to call it out loud. Furthermore to appease the war mongers Herrera had sent Mariano Paredes Arillaga with a small army to reinforce the border. Paredes was a nationalist and a Santaanista! Giving him control of a large number of troops unnerved the President, but as long as he remained in the North patrolling the border the nationalists would remain calm and Herrera could attend to the ambassadors.
Later that year Paredes led a 2,500 strong cavalry detachment north of the Rio Bravo and stationed in Laredo, Tamaulipas and reinforced Mariano Aristas forces in Matamoros two fold. On the American side General Zachary Taylor had camped out and established Fort Brown, north of Matamoros. Laredo as well as Fort Texas was located north of the Bravo in a territory previously claimed by the Republic of Texas and now the US but had always been administered by the provincial government of Tamaulipas. The arrival of a large number of Mexican forces tensed the situation; it was only a matter of time before Taylor’s forces engaged against the Mexican army. Early in March 1846, Paredes lead his forces eastwards north of the Bravo; refusing to back down from Fort Texas Taylor’s forces engaged against Paredes’ north of Mier, Tamaulipas. Hostilities had begun; in less than a month news of the skirmish will have arrived to Mexico City and Washington. Upon hearing the news President Polk addressed congress stating, “Mexico has invaded our territory and shed American blood in American soil”. Two days after Polk’s address the American Congress declared war against Mexico on April 5th 1846 [1]; it is only the northern abolitionists and moderate Whigs who oppose the war as they see it as a “Southern war of expansion”. The First Mexican-American War had officially commenced; Mexico will have officially declared war until May 13th after a final meeting between President Herrera and ambassador Pakenham regarding Britain’s position on the issue.

[1] POD: in OTL Paredes led the army back to Mexico City to stage a coup against Herrera for receiving the American ambassador. ITTL Herrera receives Pakeham first so Paredes remains in the North. Mexican forces around the Bravo and in the Nueces strip are almost 2x OTL’s. The hostilities between Taylor’s forces and Mexican forces happen earlier and in larger numbers. The US declares war against Mexico a month earlier than OTL, without Paredes ever issuing a manifesto and will thus be seen as the aggressor by Europe, particularly Britain.
 
Mexico had a decent military when it came to its officer corps so I like to see how well the Mexicans can perform under proper leadership against the Americans.
 
Mexico had a decent military when it came to its officer corps so I like to see how well the Mexicans can perform under proper leadership against the Americans.

True the problem was people like Santa Anna trying to take control of and leading everything in OTL. This won't be the case here.


Arkhangelsk. Thanks for the support. Here is the first part of the war.

The Rio Bravo Campaign Part I

President Herrera now had a war. A war he never asked for and had done his best to avoid getting it to. But for the first time since he took the Presidency the Mexican congress grew quiet. Even the most enthusiastic of the warmongers grew quite for a moment taking realizing the situation Mexico had gotten itself into; for the past months news from the north had been making their way into Mexico City. President Herrera cursed Paredes for his rash decisions in attacking the American troops and even considered resigning, so not to take the blame if all Mexico was burned to the ground. It was ambassador Pakenham who made him change his mind. In the first week of May, President Herrera addressed congress in an attempt to rally all sides; making note that Texas was already lost but Mexico would loose much more if they did not place their differences aside. Taking his liberal supporters by surprise President Herrera also asked the Church to give him his support promising to respect the Church’s property and authority for the time being. This action in particular would cause a rift between the President and his Secretary of Treasury Valentín Gomez Farías who up until now had been a close ally of Herrera and had previously tried to confiscate Church property to pay Mexico’s debts.
After the Battle of Mier, which officially commenced the war, Taylor’s forces had successfully prevented Paredes’ army from encircling Fort Texas and having his strategic position compromised. Except that now the bulk of his forces laid much further west, where crossing the Bravo would be near impossible and leaving his supply line to Port Isabel venerable to Mexican attacks. By the end of March General Mariano Arista led a force of 3,600 north of the Bravo in an attempt to capture Fort Texas upon hearing the news Taylor sent a cavalry unit under Captain Seth Thornton to reinforce the fort. Thornton’s forces were intercepted by the Mexican Cavalry led by Ansatasio Torrejón; leaving Fort Texas open to Aristas’ siege. The siege would last for 140 hours but by April 25th 1846 Aristas’ army had a firm foothold on the most practical location to cross the Bravo. Taylor will be forced to cross the Bravo further north at Reynosa. Furthermore his supply line to Puerto Isabel had been cut off. Supplies would now have to take the longer route via Corpus Christi.
Taylor had to wait until mid May for the construction of rafts to move his army across the Rio Grande in the meantime Paredes was steadily reorganizing his forces south of Laredo after the majority had scattered after the Battle of Mier. The next objective for Taylor was to move towards Monterrey, however diseases and various security and logistic factors limited Taylor to a force of little more than 5,500 men for the campaign. The loss of Puerto Isabel to Arista & Torrejón’s forces further delayed his progress; as supplies had to be moved via land through Corpus Chirsti. Early in the summer Taylor’s forces began to march southwards. In what governor Pedro de Ampudía will later “an amateur and irresponsible mistake”, general Arista rushed southwards in an attempt to intercept Taylor’s forces before the reached Monterrey. The only reason they managed to reach Taylor’s forces thanks to knowledge of the territory. Nevertheless Arista suffered a devastating defeat at the Battle of Apodaca. After the battle Arista’s forces scattered many taking a refuge in Monterrey only to face the Ameircan attack within a few days.
In mid September of 1846 Taylor’s forces launched their attack on Montery. The city was defended by a force of 9,000 - 11,000, most of them residents of the city under the leadership of Governor Ampudia, with the remainder of Aristas’ forces for support. After three days of fighting the American forces drove the Mexicans into the city. Governor Ampudia was about to surrender and offer terms when Pardes’ army arrived from Laredo with reinforcements. Aware that his men were about to be trapped within the city and force to fight their way out Taylor retreated back north to Reynosa.

After the U.S. issued the declaration of war Juan N. Alamonte, the Mexican ambassador in Washington and Alejandro Jose de Atocha, a Spanish businessman and close friend Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna made their way to Cuba where they met with the exiled dictator. With a special letter from President Polk, the three conspired to return to Mexico and stage a coup against Herrera; according to Atocha Polk was promising to allow Santa Anna back to power and a hefty sum of money to stage the coup if Santa Anna sued for peace and agreed to American terms. [2] Santa Anna arrived at Veracruz in August of 1846, just a few days before the Battle of Monterrey. Word got back to Mexico City within a few days and without hesitation Herrera ordered his arrest. Santa Anna never made it past Jalapa. [3]


[1] Overall similar to OTL, however Taylor has fewer men at the fort since Paredes’ presence in Laredo and Mier forced him to disperse his forces to cover more ground. Torrejón then intercepted the reinforcements before they reached Palo Alto so Arista wasn’t rushed north to fight against Taylor and leaving Fort Texas open for the siege.
[2] Whether or not Santa Anna had contacted Polk via Atocha so he could get past the blockade is debatable. There is little proof in OTL besides the fact that he got past the blockade and that Atocha did make several trips between Washington and Havanna during this time. Even if it was true Santa Anna then turned on Polk and still tried to fight the invasion. For the sake of TTL we will assume Polk did contact Atocha.
[3] In OTL since Paredes, Santannista had overthrown Herrera he allowed the dictator back to power. Herrera won’t commit this mistake.

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A very good update. It's a good thing Santa Ana has been caught before he would cause any un-necessary trouble in Mexico. I say he deserves to be executed to make sure he doesn't cause any more trouble.
 
A very good update. It's a good thing Santa Ana has been caught before he would cause any un-necessary trouble in Mexico. I say he deserves to be executed to make sure he doesn't cause any more trouble.

Thanks!

Santa Anna might not cause any unnecessary troubles but some Santaanistas might cause instead. We can't have it all go smoothly for Mexico either.
 
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Got another update done. I know I said this would be a quick TL but I've been inundated with work lately. I'll get the map up hopefully by tomorrow as well as another update this week dealing with what is going on in Mexico City with Santa Anna's presence. In the meantime enjoy:


Regarding Oregon

News of Taylor’s failure to take Monterrey reached Washington within a few months; the anti-expansionist wing, mostly made up of Northerners and abolitionists, outspokenly began to protest the war. Less than a year before, when the war began, the opposition was almost zero but it had started to gain some traction with the war’s slow advance. The longer the war dragged on the more Polk was accused of only catering to the expansion of slavery, The fact that the Oregon dispute remained unresolved only gave the opposition, particularly the Northerners, one more point on which to attack Polk, “the President did not want to let the north expand further”.
Before the war Polk’s administration had attempted to find a diplomatic solution to the Oregon boundary even proposing splitting the territory at the 49th parallel, following the same boundary as the rest of the western territories. However, Lord Ashburton, the British ambassador to Washington would not budge. Previously Ashburton had granted the U.S. most of their claims in the dispute over the Maine border with New Brunswick. In the new dispute it seemed he expected the American to repay the favor. With the US declaring war on Mexico and later the arrival of Pakenham in Washington to assist in the negotiations the British delegation became increasingly weary of American expansion. It soon became clear that Polk would have to concede to Britain’s demands at some point or face the possibility of Britain actively intervening on the issue.

Back in the West: Taking New Mexico, and The Fall of Monterey

Back on the front, however, Taylor was making a rapidly gaining the ground he failed to capture on earlier that year. After their victory, the Mexican leaders had spent much time squabbling over what step to take next. Arista had stormed off with most of the cavalry west towards El Paso in a hurried attempt to intersect the American when news of the Capture of Santa Fe reached Monterey. [1] The move was badly planned and Arista would have lost over two thirds of his men, mostly to desertion, before he reached El Paso. In Chihuahua he met the ex-governor of New Mexico, Manuel Armijo, whom he executed for his treason. Arista finally reached El Paso in late November of 1846. Ignoring the poor condition that his men were in the stubborn general lead the Mexican cavalry against General Steven Kearney’s Men in the Battle of Santa Rita. Kerney had arrived to New Mexico with some 1,700 men but after dispatching some troops to San Antonio under Col. Doniphan to reinforce Talyor and leaving another portion under the command of Col. Pierce to occupy Santa Fe Kearney’s forces barely passed 400. Ironically due to the amount of desertion and death faced by Arista’s men, the Mexican forces were almost just as small an anomaly in the war. Ultimately the battle was a disaster for Arista who ended up retreating back to El Paso hastily. Nevertheless Arista’s presence caused much unrest for the American forces. Throughout December, in what was known as the Christmas Revolt’s, the populations of Santa Few, Fernando de Taos, and Socorro rebelled against the American occupiers. Col. Sterling Price, who was appointed by Kearney military governor of New Mexico, crushed most of the initial revolts with ease. However the revolts did destabilized his hold on New Mexico forcing Kearney to delay his march towards California in order to reinforce Price. Further revolts would be seen later in the spring of 1847. In January 1847, Pablo Montoya lead a force of Mexicans, allied with a band of Taos Pueblo Indians under Tomás Romero in a second revolt against Price. While unsuccessful in repelling the occupiers by all means the continuous series of revolts made it clear where the New Mexican population found its loyalty. In the Spring Arista immediately dispatched an envoy to Monterrey requesting the Mexican army for troops to be sent to New Mexico. Unfortunately by the time the envoy arrived Monterrey had already fallen to Taylor’s second assault.
After his defeat at Monterrey, Taylor had retreated with his troops back to Mier to redraw his strategy. With the arrival of Doniphan’s men Taylor was able to assault the Mexican garrison in Fort Texas on November 1846. The victory was followed Col. Charles A. May’s victory against Torrejón’s cavalry at Resaca De La Palma allowing Taylor successfully re-establish Puerto Isabel as supply inlet. With Puerto Isabel and Fort Texas secured, Taylor once again moved westwards. The weather, and desiese amongst his men made his trek north of the Bravo a slow a tedious one but by Christmas Taylor had regrouped his men at Camargo and once again headed south towards Monterey.
Squabbles between Paredes and Ampudia heavily delayed the Mexican response to Taylor’s second attack. Paredes opted to face Taylor head on north of Apodaca while Ampudia preferred fortify the city, evacuate the population to Saltillo and make a stand within the city walls. Finding Ampudia’s proposal cowardly Paredes moved the remainder of the army north leaving the city defenseless. By the time Paredes engaged against Taylor at Cerralvo, his forces had already been depleted mostly through desertion and sickness. Taylor had moved on to Monterrey a few forces made one last stand at Llanos del Topo. But in Febuary 2nd 1847 Governor Ampudia surrendered the city to Taylor in agreement that he allow the remainder of population leave the city. Although most residents chose to stay a good number followed Ampudia southwards towards Victoria.
 
Hey I got another update done. I'm done with finals so I'll probably will get updates up more frequently now.

The Last Days of Antonio López de Santa Anna

Since the beginning of the war Valentín Gómez Farías, President Herrera’s secretary of the treasury, had continuously alienated the President and his administration from the conservative branch of congress and the army. Farías had been indispensable in Herrera’s rise to power but for the last months the radically liberal proposals of ex-President, now-secretary were rapidly driving away the conservative supporters of Herrera. When Farías proposed to seize Church property and funds to finance the war effort the conservative tolerance to his reforms came to an end. Herrera’s refusal to replace Farías caused the Conservatives, and the Church to ally with the Santannistas against Herrera’s administration. After news of Taylor’s victories in Fort Texas and Puerto Isabel, the Coalition called for the abdication of Herrera, the arrest of Farías and the reinstitution of Santa Anna as President of Mexico.
The coup against Herrera happened early in December of 1846. Lead by two loyal Santannistas, Gabriel Valencia and Valentín Canalizo, the army reserves marched into Mexico City. The army effectively took control of the city within a few days and Valencia was named interim-president until Santa Anna was able to his way to the capital. When Santa Anna was finally freed, however, the dictator announced that he would not be taking power immediately; he was to spend Las Fiestas [1] in his estate with his wife Dolores whom, “surely missed me dearly since my exile in Cuba”. In the mean time Herrera and his supporters found refuge in Guadalajara.
In his brief time as interim-President Valencia managed to loose his popularity faster than any leader before him. This was mostly due to the fact that the Coalition was made up of different factions with very different goals from one another. It quickly became clear that Valencia’s priorities were the centralization of power under the army, the restoration of Santa Anna. Irritated by the centralist’s rise to power, several of the provincial governments refused to acknowledge Valencia’s government and many threatened to declare neutrality in the war against the Americans if Santa Anna was brought to the presidency. Furthermore Valencia refused to withdraw any of Gómez Farías reforms simply replacing him with José María Luis Mora as Secretary of the Treasury, who was by no means as radical as Farías but was equally disliked by the conservatives. After being less than a month in power Valencia was replaced by Canalizo as the Coalition waited for Santa Anna’s return.
In Guadalajara, Herrera met with General José María Yáñes. Yáñes had been one of the few in the military that had preferred to find a diplomatic solution to the conflict with the United States. After the war broke out, Yáñes headed back to Guadalajara where he tried to persuade the local governments of Jalisco and Sonora into declaring neutrality in the conflict [2]. Herrera knew that Yáñes had no sympathy for the Conservatives, the Centralistas, and much less for Santa Anna. Yáñes had served under Santa Anna throughout the siege of Veracruz during the Pastry War and still believed Santa Anna received the credit he deserved. Using the general’s overall hatred for the new regime, Herrera was able to convince Yañes to support him in a counter-coup. Yáñes’ popularity in the northwest and the area’s general aversion for the centralist factions made Yáñes a powerful ally.
Yáñes supplied Herrera with a force of roughly 700 men and six artillery pieces towards Mexico City. Herrera expected an easy bloodless coup like the countless ones that had routinely occurred though out the previous decade. However, the overthrow of Canalizo did not come that easily. The Santaannista army met them north of Mexico City in Toluca Valley, while it was a quick an easy victory for Los Tapatíos [3] the damages were enough that Herrera could not expect to continue fighting all the way to the Zocalo. Victory instead came from within Congress, when José Mariano Salas and Nicholas Bravo managed to persuade the conservatives to drop their support for the Santaannistas as Canalizo had failed to fulfill his promises and Santa Anna had yet to arrive to the capital. Canalizo was arrested in January 8th, and Herrera entered the capital along side Los Tapatíos later that day.
Herrera’s reinstitution was followed by a purge of both Santaanista and radical elements from congress. Canalizo, Valencia and other leaders of the coup were arrested tried for treason. Herrera replaced Mora as Secretary of the Treasury by a Manuel Gómez Pedraza, a moderate conservative with royalist leanings. His appointment will later ensure the Church’s support for the Herrera government and more importantly the war against the Americans. Santa Anna was finally arrested in late January as he made his way from Jalapa towards Puebla, still believing his leadership would be welcomed at the capital. His execution on Feburay 2nd coincided with Ampudia’s surrender of Monterey, a day that is seen as both as a victory and a loss for the moderate forces. Most historians also consider this day as the beginning of the Herreriato, a decade in which Herrera would build up power imposing his rule more successfully than any Mexican leader before him.

[1] Christmas season between December 12th (Day o Guadalupe) and January 5th (Day of Kings).
[2] In OTL he succeeded.
[3] Tapatios is a colloquial nickname for the people of Guadalajara. And in TTL Yáñes’ army is referred as such.
[4] Yes, this is all a political mess of who supports whom. But it is much cleaner than in OTL.
 
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jycee

Some a bit of this earlier and looks interesting although not massively knowledgeable on the subject and the internal Mexican situation seems a mess of defecting provinces, coups etc all while trying to fight a war with the US!

However with some stable government they should be able to do a lot better and given the logistical problems the US will have a big problem winning the sort of victory they managed OTL. Plus if the hints about British concerns leading to intervention from it the US would find itself in deep trouble.

If they do win a victory, I notice you had the word in quotes;), then that would improve Herrera’s status and following and hopefully will enable him to make further reforms.

Steve
 
jycee

Some a bit of this earlier and looks interesting although not massively knowledgeable on the subject and the internal Mexican situation seems a mess of defecting provinces, coups etc all while trying to fight a war with the US!

However with some stable government they should be able to do a lot better and given the logistical problems the US will have a big problem winning the sort of victory they managed OTL. Plus if the hints about British concerns leading to intervention from it the US would find itself in deep trouble.

If they do win a victory, I notice you had the word in quotes;), then that would improve Herrera’s status and following and hopefully will enable him to make further reforms.

Steve

Thanks for the comments. I understand that the situation in Mexico might seem like an unstable mess; I know it is.

But in OTL it was a bigger mess. By this point the presidency had changed hands four times from Herrera, to Pareds, to Canalizo to Santa Anna and would change two more times before the end of the war. ITTL once Herrera comes back he will stay there.
In OTL several provinces also defected, Sonora, Jalisco, and Puebla all declared neutrality (while the Rio Grande provinces were basically taking care of their own). ITTL Sonora and Jalisco are no longer neutral (Jalisco being more important) and Puebla will be covered in the next update.

Thanks for the support.
 
Finally a TL where Mexico doesn't get the shaft!:D (This is not just cause I'm Mexican, but it's one of the most stomped on countries in AH:()
 
I think I'm going to subscribe to this. I'm always interested in Mexican TL's that involve a more stable/potentially powerful Mexican Republic.

A curiosity question: Herrera mean all of Texas (that Texas and now the US claims) or just what Mexico recognizes to be Texan is lost? Also, if Britian intervened, is it possible that Mexico could regain Texas?

I'm sure that last bit is unlikely, but it could be said that with how things have gone, if Mexico regained Texas, it would try not to antaganize the Texans too much.

A thought. If Mexico couldn't get Texas, could Mexico include in peace terms that Texas remain an independant nation? (the idea of "If we can't have it, you can't either) This might actually be possible, especially with British intervention, as I believe Britian was one of the nations that recognized Texas (or maybe I'm thinking of another nation...). Plus, northerners who see the war, as well as the annexation of Texas, as DC catering to the whims of the south, could very well approve of the idea.
 
RookieHistorian

Interesting question about the future status of Texas. I think the Mexicans and other anti-American forces would have to do considerably better as currently the Americans are fairly deep into Mexico. [Although no attack on Vera Cruz and the Mexican heartland yet]. Also by now the US has been in charge of Texas [at least the lands of the republic] for a couple of years now. However I think there was considerable opposition in Texas to giving up independence so if things went badly it might occur.

A lot depends on whether war actually occurs with Britain or just that Mexico performs markedly better [which it should do with more stable leadership and Santa Anna removed] and possibly the US are nervously looking over their shoulder at Britain.

In the former, provided British intervention doesn't prompt a quick settlement. The British forces are still pre Crimean war so a lot of dead wood has built up. However they have such a clear naval, industrial and economic dominance that a long war is likely to be very bad for the US.

In the latter I could see war weariness and concern about the aims of the south meaning that popular opinion moves against it continuing, especially if a couple of big set-backs at some point. In that case, depending on what the position is at the time Mexico could lose relatively little or no land, although presumably being forced to accept US annexation of Texas, probably with the borders of the independent republic.

Will have to see what jycee says. I hope he continues with it but since it hasn't been updated since December he may be too busy with other things.:(

Steve

I think I'm going to subscribe to this. I'm always interested in Mexican TL's that involve a more stable/potentially powerful Mexican Republic.

A curiosity question: Herrera mean all of Texas (that Texas and now the US claims) or just what Mexico recognizes to be Texan is lost? Also, if Britian intervened, is it possible that Mexico could regain Texas?

I'm sure that last bit is unlikely, but it could be said that with how things have gone, if Mexico regained Texas, it would try not to antaganize the Texans too much.

A thought. If Mexico couldn't get Texas, could Mexico include in peace terms that Texas remain an independant nation? (the idea of "If we can't have it, you can't either) This might actually be possible, especially with British intervention, as I believe Britian was one of the nations that recognized Texas (or maybe I'm thinking of another nation...). Plus, northerners who see the war, as well as the annexation of Texas, as DC catering to the whims of the south, could very well approve of the idea.
 
Yes! There is still interest in the TL! I know I haven't updated in a while RL kinda caught up with me. But I have actually finished the all the war. So updates for the much pulpier and detalied 2.0 version will start soon.
Texas (and Oregon) will certainly be points of interests. But as it was pointed out for now it is in US hands.
 
RookieHistorian

Interesting question about the future status of Texas. I think the Mexicans and other anti-American forces would have to do considerably better as currently the Americans are fairly deep into Mexico. [Although no attack on Vera Cruz and the Mexican heartland yet]. Also by now the US has been in charge of Texas [at least the lands of the republic] for a couple of years now. However I think there was considerable opposition in Texas to giving up independence so if things went badly it might occur.

They have gained victories, but the fact that they aren't winning as quickly as they did OTL will be a factor. And by that bit, do you mean that as the Republic of Texas, it was basically under US control? If I remember my history correctly, Texas was independant for about, what, ten years before the US annexed it? And If I also remember correctly, the republic won its independance in 1836, and surrendered that independance in 1846.

As to the last bit, I do believe you are correct. There was some (if not considerable) dissapproval of annexation by the US.

A lot depends on whether war actually occurs with Britain or just that Mexico performs markedly better [which it should do with more stable leadership and Santa Anna removed] and possibly the US are nervously looking over their shoulder at Britain.

In the former, provided British intervention doesn't prompt a quick settlement. The British forces are still pre Crimean war so a lot of dead wood has built up. However they have such a clear naval, industrial and economic dominance that a long war is likely to be very bad for the US.

In the latter I could see war weariness and concern about the aims of the south meaning that popular opinion moves against it continuing, especially if a couple of big set-backs at some point. In that case, depending on what the position is at the time Mexico could lose relatively little or no land, although presumably being forced to accept US annexation of Texas, probably with the borders of the independent republic
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That makes sense. Mexico would probably have to do REALLY well as well as have Britian intervening to be able to reclaim texas, but I could see the border being left at the former republics original border.


Yes! There is still interest in the TL! I know I haven't updated in a while RL kinda caught up with me. But I have actually finished the all the war. So updates for the much pulpier and detalied 2.0 version will start soon.
Texas (and Oregon) will certainly be points of interests. But as it was pointed out for now it is in US hands.

Oh, I know that. I was simply curious as to whether it would be in US hands after the war.
 
Yes! There is still interest in the TL! I know I haven't updated in a while RL kinda caught up with me. But I have actually finished the all the war. So updates for the much pulpier and detalied 2.0 version will start soon.
Texas (and Oregon) will certainly be points of interests. But as it was pointed out for now it is in US hands.

jycee

I've been rather busy recently with other things so have only been keeping an eye on my subscribed threads. Should pay more attention but if you do start a 2nd version could you please put a note in here so I know about it.

Thanks

Steve
 
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