I don’t think they can “win” the Manchuria region short of the Jin Khan dying and thus starting another succession Civil War.
I think ultimately if the Jim Khanate wins the Joseon basically win by proxy. The Joseon can annex their ally like in the future as the Jin become more subservient.
It was mentioned that the Khan of the Jin is very ambitious. While he might not want to, or be in a prime position to back stab Korea at this point I don’t see him or the Jin just rolling over and dying. The Jin reuniting the Manchu states will make them less subservient not more.
Very good update! Can’t wait to see how the Asiatic Northern War goes.
Also on a side note, I’m going to hazard a guess and say that by the time Gyeongseon’s modernisation and professionalisation of the Joseon Army is complete the standard Joseon infantryman will look something like this?
If Joseon loses this burgeoning war then it might lead to quicker military reforms or the Confucian sholar-advisors attempt a putsch.
Japan has to walk out with something tangible. Control over those key islands and also northern coasts in the Sea of Okhotsk could be a good sell.
Even with the current ruler being very ambitious (and a good ruler) it doesn't mean his policies wouldn't allow the Joseon to exert more and more control. And the ruler's descendants could be the ones to lose Manchuria to the Joseon too.
tbf my main nitpick is that the soldier is wearing chainmail. A cuirass would make sense since anything else won't stop a bullet from going through the armour.
Yeah I do think it'd be for the best for Japan. Maybe they make their control of the Northern Far East a lot more tangible too?
Let’s say the Jin-Korean alliance wins, Seoul will want to expand or project their influence within the Jin state immediately afterwards while the current monarch who received Korean aid is in power. It’s makes no sense for Korea to wait 20-30 years after the war to expand their influence, even if it’s slowly over that 20 to 30 year period.
What Japan needs is strong footholds and control over the Sea of Okhotsk and the furs wherein that do not overextend them and overstretch their defenses against the Russians, Koreans, or anyone else. At the same time however they also need to control enough that they can't just be driven into the sea.
I think the Jin probably would be done slowly. The lesser Jin are already a group who's the weaker group compared to the Joseon, and the allowance of Joseon armies to march within Jin lands is already something that's quite indicative of who's the master and who's the weaker servant.
Yeah agreed. I think we would see Japan focus on the Sea of Okhotsk. It is where the fur trade would source sea otter furs after all, and keeping a tight lid on sea otter pelt production would be for the best for Japan.
ofc. I do think having the Joseon colonise Manchuria would be very fun tho, and if the Joseon play their cards right the Jin can't exactly do anything.
I'm curious as to how well the Japanese explored the Sea of Okhotsk and Kamchatka. If the Japanese are dedicating more effort into to controlling the Siberian Fur trade, you'd think they would make substantial efforts of exploration. Even just knowing what is there would give Japan a huge advantage in claiming that territory from its rivals.
we know they're already around the Chishima islands, idk if they're around Kamchatka and Okhotsk though...
I’ll get in a chapter about exploration sooner or later, I will promise that.
There's a reason why gunpowder empires destroyed the steppe empires of yore...Not for the Manchus
Manchurian armies; *Disagrees violently*
It really depends on how well the two armies are rn, which are both unknowns. I'm just assuming that the Joseon have a good army to match their ambitions...
The IRL Russian regions of Chukchi, Kamchatka, Magadan, and Khabarovsk (northern half at least) would be ideal.
Not just fun but kinda necessary for the Joseon to remain relevant in light of their bigger and more powerful neighbours.
Looking forward to that!
