OTL Map Thread Mk IV., 2014-

Quality may vary, but here's a nice page of language/religion maps: http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/plc/clpp/images/langmaps/index.html

The Indochina map is particularly wild: you hear about the SE Asian hill and highland tribes, but that doesn't really give you any idea. (Admittedly, it's an old map and there may have been some, er, blending over more recent decades.)


I've been doing a little work with regard to the Treaty of Sèvres (particularly as regards "Wilsonian" Armenia) and as part of that I've been plotting out the demographic/ethnographic population figures used by the American Commission to Negotiate Peace. These were used to help evaluate and define the boundaries of new entities to be created by the treaty, namely "Wilsonian" Armenia, Kurdistan, the Republic of Pontus and the Smyrna Zone among others.
As the Ottoman Census, as well as provincial almanacs were known - even then - to be notoriously inaccurate (women in general were undercounted, and Christian populations were also systemically undercounted - namely due to deliberate obfuscation by Christian authorities/communities themselves, deliberate omission by Ottoman authorities, and a lack of government authority on the ground as local Kurdish chiefs treated Christians as more-or-less their cattle). So the Americans, who were given total authority to determine Armenia's boundaries, had to rely on other figures including Cuinet Vital's figures and statistics reported by Christian clergy & American residents of Anatolia.

These figures were collated, synthesised and corrected as best as possible by Prof. David Magie in Inquiry Document 1005, The Population of Asiatic Turkey at the Outbreak of the War. These population estimates, which (unlike Cuinet Vital) are carefully and systematically explained, formed what were probably the best & most well-educated estimates available to the great powers at Sèvres. It was The Population of Asiatic Turkey at the Outbreak of the War, which in Woodrow Wilson's Arbitral Award of the President of the United States of America is only referred to as "report upon the "Population of Asiatic Turkey"" which was used as a major point of reference in drawing up "Wilsonian" Armenia's boundaries, as well as was used to reject similar proposals including the erstwhile Republic of Pontus.

The population is presented as per Sanjak of Ottoman Anatolia, as well as the Levant and Mesopotamia (though it is only Anatolia I'm interested in). Of these, only in Smyrna Sanjak (Aydin Vilayet) do Greeks predominate over Muslims, and only in Mush & Van Sanjaks that Armenians predominate over Muslims.
In most instances, Magie was unable to separate different Muslim populations from each other: The only exceptions are in Maramuret-ul-Aziz Vilayet, where "Turks" are given as separate from "Kurds and Qizilbash" (Qizilbash being Shi'a Turkomans), and in Van Vilayet were "Turks" are given separate from "Kurds". In all other cases, it was not realistically feasible to give ethnic identifiers to Muslims per Sanjak, although in some cases The Population of Asiatic Turkey at the Outbreak of the War does give convincing estimates for the Vilayet as a whole:
1) Bitlis Vilayet: Of “Turks and Kurds”, there were 60,000 Turks and 201,000 Kurds (incl. nomads) of the entire vilayet.
2) Diyarbekir Vilayet: Of “Turks, Kurds, Arabs” there were respectively 100,000, 230,000 and 70,000 of the entire vilayet.
3) Erzurum Vilayet: Of “Turks, Lazes, Kurds” there were respectively 335,000, 29,000 and 176,000 of the entire vilayet.

Basically, unless I'm much mistaken, these were the most accurate demographic records of the Ottoman Empire available at the time of its dissolution - though still, of course, flawed. If I get the time I'll map out the rest of the Ottoman Empire in Asia from the same records.

(Edit: Basemap used is one from Histatlas, from "Middle East" folder.)
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Does anyone have a standard basemap patch for Valois Burgundy at it's 1400s height? Getting those fiddly bits on a regular sized map is impossible, so I don't expect anything more than a semi-convincing impersonation of reality. :biggrin:
anyone out who could fill in Antarctica's topography for this Map?

This map is very old, yet Antarctica remains blank.

I mean there's anothr a that does show antarctica's topography, but the format and rojection are different, secifically in the Wolrd-M format.
It shouldn't be so hard.
Florida not being alligators is baffling to me

But on the other hand I can totally see the headline “Florida man dies after trying to eat entire nest of fire ants”

Maybe because people in Florida might expect alligators to be dangerous but non-venomous insects to be less so. And the map says that it depicts death couses above the national average. Maybe there are numerous deaths by alligator in Florida but Missouri and Illinois raise the median so much that Florida just happens to be below the average, who knows? (well, apparently the map makers would know)

next map rather unrelated:


A question, I am trying to find a detailed map of all administrative divisions of Apartheid South Africa, but I was unable to find them (only for South West Africa/Namibia), so for my large map I am simply using modern-day subdivisions but with only the four provinces highlighted as first-level divisions.

However, is this electoral map showing the second-level administrative subdivisions of Apartheid South Africa, or is it just an electoral map? do not even get start with trying to find maps of the internal subdivisions of the Bantustans, these seem to be the hardest of them all to find