Weekly Flag Challenge: Discussion & Entries
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FLAG CHALLENGE 90
[FONT="]LIBERTAD Y UNIDAD ….. [/FONT]LIBERDADE E UNIDADE
Latin America .. .. .. liberated from the rule of Spain and Portugal, a single nation is created south of the Isthmus of Darien and survives until the present day.
It can be a republic or monarchy, a federation or centralised union, the choice is yours.
Design a flag, give the nation a name and include a short text on its inception and development and on the symbolism of the flag.
CLOSING DATE FOR ENTRIES . .. .. 12 April, midnight British Summer Time
VOTING (should
) start 13 April and finish 19 April, midnight British Summer Time
[FONT="]LIBERTAD Y UNIDAD ….. [/FONT]LIBERDADE E UNIDADE
Latin America .. .. .. liberated from the rule of Spain and Portugal, a single nation is created south of the Isthmus of Darien and survives until the present day.
It can be a republic or monarchy, a federation or centralised union, the choice is yours.
Design a flag, give the nation a name and include a short text on its inception and development and on the symbolism of the flag.
CLOSING DATE FOR ENTRIES . .. .. 12 April, midnight British Summer Time
VOTING (should
) start 13 April and finish 19 April, midnight British Summer TimeFLAG CHALLENGE 90
[FONT="]LIBERTAD Y UNIDAD ….. [/FONT]LIBERDADE E UNIDADE
Latin America .. .. .. liberated from the rule of Spain and Portugal, a single nation is created south of the Isthmus of Darien and survives until the present day.
It can be a republic or monarchy, a federation or centralised union, the choice is yours.
Design a flag, give the nation a name and include a short text on its inception and development and on the symbolism of the flag.
CLOSING DATE FOR ENTRIES . .. .. 12 April, midnight British Summer Time
VOTING (should
Must it be a single nation for the whole of South America, or can it be one for the Spanish-speaking component and one for the Portuguese-speaking component? Must it have remained united the entire period? Must it have gained independence as a single entity?
This is kind of ASB, but here it goes:
The PoD is that Miguel de Vasconcelos is some sort of ninja and manages to escape the Portuguese rebels who come to kill him during the Portuguese Revolt of 1640. He gets information about the revolt quickly to Philip IV of Spain, and so it is put down. The Iberian Union survives, and manages to colonize all of South America IOTL (except, naturally, for British, French, and Dutch Guiana). As history goes on, the Kingdom of Iberia turns into a sort of Austria-Hungary-like state, multicultural and unstable, until 1808, when Napoleon invades. Support collapses and the Iberian monarch Joseph I fled to Lima (as by this time Mexico was seen as too unstable). Napoleon sets up puppet states in Iberia, again separating Portugal and Spain. Due to immense popular support, they are not once again fused once Napoleon is defeated, and so as the former Spanish colonies crack off one by one, the monarchs are left high and dry in South America. They are quick to crack down on revolutionary sentiment on the continent, and so the new Empire of Peru and Brasil (Imperio del Perú y Brasil) became a stereotypical crackpot dictatorship. Liberalization did occure throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, fortunately peacefully, and in 1925 a Constitution was signed by the reigning Emperor Alfonso XIII, which marginalized the already-weak monarchy and created the Republic of Peru and Brasil, a representative government based off the American system, with a hint of Britain's constitutional monarchy on the side. The new republic flies a flag very similar to the flag of Colombia today, but some buildings still fly the royal flag, the one used before 1925:
There is the coat of arms of the United Iberian Monarchy in the center, with the dark blue on the left (representing the old Portuguese flag) and the yellow on the right (representing the center of the Spanish flag). The coat of arms (which is mine) is the most important bit, but it got shrunk really small, so here's a bigger version for you to see:
It has elements of both the Portuguese and Spanish coats of arms.
The PoD is that Miguel de Vasconcelos is some sort of ninja and manages to escape the Portuguese rebels who come to kill him during the Portuguese Revolt of 1640. He gets information about the revolt quickly to Philip IV of Spain, and so it is put down. The Iberian Union survives, and manages to colonize all of South America IOTL (except, naturally, for British, French, and Dutch Guiana). As history goes on, the Kingdom of Iberia turns into a sort of Austria-Hungary-like state, multicultural and unstable, until 1808, when Napoleon invades. Support collapses and the Iberian monarch Joseph I fled to Lima (as by this time Mexico was seen as too unstable). Napoleon sets up puppet states in Iberia, again separating Portugal and Spain. Due to immense popular support, they are not once again fused once Napoleon is defeated, and so as the former Spanish colonies crack off one by one, the monarchs are left high and dry in South America. They are quick to crack down on revolutionary sentiment on the continent, and so the new Empire of Peru and Brasil (Imperio del Perú y Brasil) became a stereotypical crackpot dictatorship. Liberalization did occure throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, fortunately peacefully, and in 1925 a Constitution was signed by the reigning Emperor Alfonso XIII, which marginalized the already-weak monarchy and created the Republic of Peru and Brasil, a representative government based off the American system, with a hint of Britain's constitutional monarchy on the side. The new republic flies a flag very similar to the flag of Colombia today, but some buildings still fly the royal flag, the one used before 1925:
There is the coat of arms of the United Iberian Monarchy in the center, with the dark blue on the left (representing the old Portuguese flag) and the yellow on the right (representing the center of the Spanish flag). The coat of arms (which is mine) is the most important bit, but it got shrunk really small, so here's a bigger version for you to see:
It has elements of both the Portuguese and Spanish coats of arms.
Mea culpa. So in effect a flag challenge stretches over 3 threads ... the one you mention, this one and a voting one?
I had thought of one nation, but I'll modify to (a) one nation OR (b) one 'Spanish' and one 'Portuguese'.
There could be a 'blip' but that can only be temporary. By the present time it is one nation.
Yes, given say 10 or so years to sort out the nature of the union/federation/whatever.
Vexacus
Banned
Is that flag half white or am I going mad from only having 11 cups of coffee so far today?
The white is a bit different from the background colour on my screen, so I can tell you that it is indeed half white.
Petike
Kicked
Yeah. To make heads or tails of it more easily, here's the WFC's page on the wiki: https://www.alternatehistory.com/wiki/doku.php?id=alternate_history:weekly_flag_challenge
There are basically the two main threads and each round has a one-off voting thread with a poll.
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Here's my current entry.
The Empire of Cinnabar
Formerly the Empire of Spain in exile, the Empire of Cinnabar was formed from Spanish Hesperia [1] - the Vice Royalty of Cinnabar - when Hesperian independence movements coincided with republican revolts in the home kingdoms of Spain [2].
The flag is based on the old Imperial Flag but with darkened red corners to reflect cinnabar-wood [3] and replaces the Coat of Arms with a simple Quina to indicate its formal renunciation of the title to Spain.
[1] OTL South America
[2] the Empire of Spain was declared when the United Kingdom of Leon & Portugal merged with the Kingdom of Castile
[3] OTL Brazilwood
EDIT: and here's so additional information not for the poll thread:
The Empire of Cinnabar
Formerly the Empire of Spain in exile, the Empire of Cinnabar was formed from Spanish Hesperia [1] - the Vice Royalty of Cinnabar - when Hesperian independence movements coincided with republican revolts in the home kingdoms of Spain [2].
The flag is based on the old Imperial Flag but with darkened red corners to reflect cinnabar-wood [3] and replaces the Coat of Arms with a simple Quina to indicate its formal renunciation of the title to Spain.
[1] OTL South America
[2] the Empire of Spain was declared when the United Kingdom of Leon & Portugal merged with the Kingdom of Castile
[3] OTL Brazilwood
EDIT: and here's so additional information not for the poll thread:
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King Helü of Wu
Banned
The Syndicate Republic, or República de los Sindicatos
Philip IV (or Philip III of Portugal) of Spain was a very different person with amazing foresight and determination. He made the strategic decision to save the Iberian Union at all cost, and sold off Spanish possessions in other parts of Europe (just like England gave up Calais earlier on).
He went to war with the Dutch the sake of Portuguese colonial territories, a war which strengthened the ties between Portugal and Spain, and helped creating a united Iberian identity, together with joint management of the oversea colonies, the Nueva Iberia as it was then called.
As Iberian nations gradually comes closer and closer, their people could go to each others' colonies, and the difference between Brazil and the other South American provinces diminished as time goes by. However, starting from the Mid-19th century, a new type of division appeared, that was between Iberia and New Iberia, specially after the loss of Mexico to the US.
Growing discontents with Iberia has made the americanos more and more identifies with the native American culture. The Chakana, a cultural symbol of the Andes has come to represent the whole of the americano people. This was accepted even in places the Chakana was not traditionally used, as people understood that this was a Iberia v. americano thing.
Iberian Civil War in 1936, which saw the rise of a right wing dictatorships in Iberia, induced a massive War Of Liberation in New Iberia led by the Anarco-Communist syndicates and participated by other left-wing groups. The war led to the creation in 1947 of a new country in South America: the Syndicate Republic, and a new nation, the Syndicalites.
Just like IOTL Latin-Americas, the left is usually associated with Native American identities and cultures. In this case, the national flag is an Anarco-Communist Red and black flag is defaced with a Chakana symbol, a traditional representation of the native Americans (native syndicalites as they are called ITTL).
Philip IV (or Philip III of Portugal) of Spain was a very different person with amazing foresight and determination. He made the strategic decision to save the Iberian Union at all cost, and sold off Spanish possessions in other parts of Europe (just like England gave up Calais earlier on).
He went to war with the Dutch the sake of Portuguese colonial territories, a war which strengthened the ties between Portugal and Spain, and helped creating a united Iberian identity, together with joint management of the oversea colonies, the Nueva Iberia as it was then called.
As Iberian nations gradually comes closer and closer, their people could go to each others' colonies, and the difference between Brazil and the other South American provinces diminished as time goes by. However, starting from the Mid-19th century, a new type of division appeared, that was between Iberia and New Iberia, specially after the loss of Mexico to the US.
Growing discontents with Iberia has made the americanos more and more identifies with the native American culture. The Chakana, a cultural symbol of the Andes has come to represent the whole of the americano people. This was accepted even in places the Chakana was not traditionally used, as people understood that this was a Iberia v. americano thing.
Iberian Civil War in 1936, which saw the rise of a right wing dictatorships in Iberia, induced a massive War Of Liberation in New Iberia led by the Anarco-Communist syndicates and participated by other left-wing groups. The war led to the creation in 1947 of a new country in South America: the Syndicate Republic, and a new nation, the Syndicalites.
Just like IOTL Latin-Americas, the left is usually associated with Native American identities and cultures. In this case, the national flag is an Anarco-Communist Red and black flag is defaced with a Chakana symbol, a traditional representation of the native Americans (native syndicalites as they are called ITTL).
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King Helü of Wu
Banned
República de los Sindicatos(Anyway the challenge didn't say it must be a national flag, so let me go on with my war flag and ensign.
Philip IV (or Philip III of Portugal) of Spain was a very different person with amazing foresight and determination. He made the strategic decision to save the Iberian Union at all cost, and sold off Spanish possessions in other parts of Europe (just like England gave up Calais earlier on).
He went to war with the Dutch the sake of Portuguese colonial territories, a war which strengthened the ties between Portugal and Spain, and helped creating a united Iberian identity, together with joint management of the oversea colonies, the Nueva Iberia as it was then called.
As Iberian nations gradually comes closer and closer, their people could go to each others' colonies, and the difference between Brazil and the other South American provinces diminished as time goes by. However, starting from the Mid-19th century, a new type of division appeared, that was between Iberia and New Iberia, specially after the loss of Mexico to the US.
Growing discontents with Iberia has made the americanos more and more identifies with the native American culture. The Chakana, a cultural symbol of the Andes has come to represent the whole of the americano people. This was accepted even in places the Chakana was not traditionally used, as people understood that this was a Iberia v. americano thing.
Iberian Civil War in 1936, which saw the rise of a right wing dictatorships in Iberia, induced a massive War Of Liberation in New Iberia led by the Anarco-Communist syndicates and participated by other left-wing groups. The war led to the creation in 1947 of a new country in South America: the Syndicate Republic, and a new nation, the Syndicalites.
Just like IOTL Latin-Americas, the left is usually associated with Native American identities and cultures. In this case, the national flag is an Anarco-Communist Red and black flag is defaced with a Chakana symbol, a traditional representation of the native Americans (native syndicalites as they are called ITTL).
Inca Empire
Following the intervention of the Portuguese in the Inca War of 1535, the Inca successfully evicted the Spanish from South and Central America. In exchange for the newly acquired Central America Provinces, the Portuguese gave the resurgent Inca Empire the area of Brazil. With the wealth acquired from trade with their Portuguese allies, the Inca solidified control over all of South America. While on his diplomatic mission to Europe, the Inca King decided to make a flag in the style of Europe. The design he came up with showed the sun god Inti who ruled the sky and the Inca Empire, who ruled the Andes and the Amazon
Should I add the southern cross constellation?
Following the intervention of the Portuguese in the Inca War of 1535, the Inca successfully evicted the Spanish from South and Central America. In exchange for the newly acquired Central America Provinces, the Portuguese gave the resurgent Inca Empire the area of Brazil. With the wealth acquired from trade with their Portuguese allies, the Inca solidified control over all of South America. While on his diplomatic mission to Europe, the Inca King decided to make a flag in the style of Europe. The design he came up with showed the sun god Inti who ruled the sky and the Inca Empire, who ruled the Andes and the Amazon
Should I add the southern cross constellation?