It was the propellant that was the issue on the ships, that would affect the mv and penetration. However the Australians will, in any case, be bringing theit kit with them, and thats happily been shooting holes in Italian tanks for ages....
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It was the propellant that was the issue on the ships, that would affect the mv and penetration. However the Australians will, in any case, be bringing theit kit with them, and thats happily been shooting holes in Italian tanks for ages....
The Japanese soldiers may be the first people to ask the question; 'why can't we have good tanks like the British?'
I think the Italians already said that....
Garrison
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I think the Italians already said that....
It's easy to forget ITTL that they were in the war...
Derek Pullem
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I think the Italians already said that....
Mind you the RTR is probably saying the same thing about the Pz IV.......
Not just yet maybe. Astrodragon hasn't given the Pz IV the long 75 yet has he?
So the Grizzly is a Cruiser tank while the Valentine is upgraded to a 6 pdr.
What happens to the Churchill? Does the distinction between Infantry and Cruiser tanks get abolished earlier?
Arguments for
More time to consider, more aggressive and effective lobbying for better tanks has already yielded results.
Arguments against
Availability of effective, reliable tanks lessens the need for American types, so less exposure to American armoured equipment and practices.
What happens to Hobart's Funnies?
Interesting how the effects on Cruiser tank procurement are much bigger than Infantry tanks thus far.
What happens to the Churchill? Does the distinction between Infantry and Cruiser tanks get abolished earlier?
Arguments for
More time to consider, more aggressive and effective lobbying for better tanks has already yielded results.
Arguments against
Availability of effective, reliable tanks lessens the need for American types, so less exposure to American armoured equipment and practices.
What happens to Hobart's Funnies?
Interesting how the effects on Cruiser tank procurement are much bigger than Infantry tanks thus far.
Derek Pullem
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Matildas have been very effective so far and will be effective in Malaya as well - the infantry tank concept isn't dead yet.
I assume that because most German experience is against the Russians, and the Russians are largely unchanged, that'll come in pretty much as OTL?
This reads as been a bit ambitious. If you mean a full evacuation it's not possible and anyway the Australians would not accept the Indian, Malayan and Chinese evacuees under any circumstances. On the otherhand just evacuating the Europeans would cause huge problems post war, possibly even more than the otl surrender.
(When my parents were thinking of moving to Australia in 1970 one of the things that put them off was the fact that they had to take my 4 month old self to the High Commision in London to prove I was White)
The big difference obviously is the Commonwealth forces are actually making plans to defend Singapore instead of just sitting there fat, dumb and happy while thinking that the Japanese couldn't fly and that Malaya was all impenetrable jungle which it wasn't.
Given the range of nationalities of the forces arriving this will have major post war implications. As was said earlier I'm pleased that the Japanese will soon be getting to know Lt. Cdr. Wanklyn and his men
Given the range of nationalities of the forces arriving this will have major post war implications. As was said earlier I'm pleased that the Japanese will soon be getting to know Lt. Cdr. Wanklyn and his men
Given the range of nationalities of the forces arriving this will have major post war implications. As was said earlier I'm pleased that the Japanese will soon be getting to know Lt. Cdr. Wanklyn and his men
I think the Japanese will be getting to know the fishes rather sooner.
Churchill is still going, but will debut with the 6pdr.
Infantry and cruiser tanks slowly merged during the war as the cruisers had to be given thicker armour and got heavier.
Hobarts funnies may happen, but only if they have to go through the Atlantic wall
If anything, a spirited and competent defence of Malay and Singapore will utterly derail their Burma campaign, never mind all the Forces there already...
sharlin
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You could just upgun the Churchill to start off with a 6lber in the turret and not bother with the 3 inch howitzer in the hull. That way you still get a nice big well armoured (if painfully slow) tank that Mr Hobart and co can go wild with their imaginations on as well as being a useful replacement for the Matilda.
Basically yes.
Unless something happens to chenge things significantly (and especially in thinhs like the Eastern front which arent the main thrust of this story), they stay pretty much as OTL
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