Hail, Britannia: A New History

[LeinadB93]

We'll get there eventually, but I'm wondering
- whether Bharat/ Greater India/ Lahore is a kind of supranational confederation like the OTL EU,
- if Lake Chad, Aral Sea, Qattara Sea are on the map because of chartographistic convention or signs of a generally wetter/ cooler climate,
- what tendencies can we see in TTL, for example does the GEACS plan on expanding to South Asia, the Pacific or even to South America,
- do the South American Hispanic countries have their own separate monarchs or is there some kind of Spanish community,
- what's the motivation behind the republicanism in non first world countries if the most developed nations clearly favour monarchy?

Great questions:

• The Lahore Treaty Organisation is best described as a NATO equivalent but with a substantial unified foreign policy.
• The Aral Sea has survived due to no Soviet irrigation projects, Lake Chad exists in an enlarged state due to a successful replenishment project under the French Union, and the Qattara Sea was due to a successful macro-engineering project. Though yes there is a generally wetter/cooler climate (owing to earlier and more widespread adoption of nuclear energy and effective mass transit systems, plus a few larger volcanic eruptions).
• That's an interesting and nuanced question.... I suppose in broad strokes there is a growing antagonism between the French Union and the GEACPS on one side, versus the Samarkand Pact. Japan and the GEACPS are dealing with many internal issues at present, so expansion is not really on the cards, but Indonesia and Sulawesi look likely to be future flashpoints, as does the China-Manchuria-Hainan mess. Nicaragua is a potential flashpoint for the Commonwealth and the Summit of the Americas. The Samarkand Pact are making economic and political inroads in the Middle East and Africa, as France and Britain decline. The whole Transcaucasia mess could blow up in Russia's face, as could its support of Tingitania.
• Separate monarchs, all of which are descended from the Spanish, or Brazilian or both, royal families.
• The prevailing trend is that where a country originated from a protectorate with a single dominant ethnic group and a clear monarch (e.g. Ashante, Barotse, North Africa) in the post-independence period these monarchies largely continued their pre-independence status. Most of the republics in Africa and Asia originate where a nation has a multitude of ethnic groups with no single dominant potential monarch (e.g. Nigeria, Indonesia, Zaire), or where the monarch of the colonial power briefly remained head of state post-independence (e.g. Tanganyika, Dravida Nadu, Bengal). Hope that makes sense.

RIP John Moses Browning, patron saint of firearms

Indeed. Nothing to say he doesn't exist ITTL... just not as a Mormon missionary.

Does South Africa have its own separate monarchy?

Also, I assume that India has constituent monarchies?

I assume the dynasty in question is the House of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen, like in the original version of this timeline?

BTW, I'll be glad to help brainstorm ideas for this timeline if you like.

• Nope, South Africa has the British monarch as head of state.
• Yes they remain, as subnational consituent monarchies.
• Yes that is correct.
• Thanks, much appreciated.

 

[TheSaint250]

Looks awesome! Really love the Banat inclusion. I hope we’ll get a little bit on the history and its present condition, especially regarding its status as a monarchy

 

[Analytical Engine]

Is the British monarch also the monarch of the Transvaal and Zimbabwe-Rhodesia? Or do they have their own monarch?

 

[CanadianTory]

Can’t wait to see more about the Philippines! Very interested to see how it functions with a British Head of State.

 

[Luxembourgish Jane]

So that's another mistake I have now corrected.

The Mormons ITTL either don't exist, or are a much smaller/less prominent Christian sect residing in the Missouri River basin and OTL Utah.

Yeah Mormonism is a very American centric religion, it's basically said that God created America to be the zion of the world iirc. Basically taking the civic religion to the max so if the Colonies never rebelled/was defeated Mormons can't really exist, especially if the Anglican church is prominent.

I guess for SLC I would personally use another name like Los Timpanogos or just Timpanogos, Maybe even Sego Lily City lol

 

[Steelers94]

Yeah Mormonism is a very American centric religion, it's basically said that God created America to be the zion of the world iirc. Basically taking the civic religion to the max so if the Colonies never rebelled/was defeated Mormons can't really exist, especially if the Anglican church is prominent.

I guess for SLC I would personally use another name like Los Timpanogos or just Timpanogos, Maybe even Sego Lily City lol

I'd personally go with the name given to the lake by the Shoshone and just call it Ti'tsa-pa.

 

[Luxembourgish Jane]

I'd personally go with the name given to the lake by the Shoshone and just call it Ti'tsa-pa.

Could also do a weird anglicized version of it Tispa, Titspa, Titsapa

 

[Pokemon Master]

Yeah Mormonism is a very American centric religion, it's basically said that God created America to be the zion of the world iirc. Basically taking the civic religion to the max so if the Colonies never rebelled/was defeated Mormons can't really exist, especially if the Anglican church is prominent.

I guess for SLC I would personally use another name like Los Timpanogos or just Timpanogos, Maybe even Sego Lily City lol

I'd personally go with the name given to the lake by the Shoshone and just call it Ti'tsa-pa.

Could also do a weird anglicized version of it Tispa, Titspa, Titsapa

or just Lago Salado

 

[AstroRangerBeans]

Looks stunning.

Why didn't the United Empire didn't include Westralia, Australia, and New Zealand as it was in the original part?
How did Siberia/Far East come

 

[Luxembourgish Jane]

or just Lago Salado

nah

 

[Stretch]

Looks stunning.

Why didn't the United Empire didn't include Westralia, Australia, and New Zealand as it was in the original part?
How did Siberia/Far East come

The UE question's been already answered several times

 

[TheBeanieBaron]

1. Is the Corsican monarch descended from the House of Bonaparte?
2. Are there any countries that have the French monarch as their head of state besides France itself?
3. Does the Second French Empire still happen ITTL?

 

[TPL99]

First of all, another great map by you, @LeinadB93. Make this illustration is a herculean job and I think that's entirely amazing. Incredible job!

Second, I have some questions about it:

• First it's about, obviously, Brazil. They've lost some territory on Amapá and Rio Grande do Sul and differently from HB 1.0, Uruguay's territory is now into the United Provinces. I didn't managed to understood the OTL territories from Paraguay, Bolivia, Peru, Venezuela and Guyana that Brazil have achieved on HB 2.0. At least not exactly.
• Second it's about our hermano neighbor into the United Provinces. It's still called Argentina or Platinia or something related to the Rio de la Plata or silver? Nice detail on putting Colonia del Sacramento into the dominions of the United Empire, though.
• Third it's about Greece. It's quite a Greek-wank TTL, isn't? I wouldn't think that part of Turkey's territory in Smirna (I believe it's something related to WWI TTL or OTL) and nor Cyrenaica and that headache frontier (damn Sid Meier's Civilization lol).
• Fourth it's about Russia. Is Soviet/Sovereign Union a thing TTL yet? Because in HB 1.0 it was a "semi-reformed" socialist state that was around yet, but I think that's not the reality on HB 2.0 anymore. Even more because Siberia and the Japanese exclave into the continent.
• Fifth it's about her: the FIFA World Cup. Because I believe that 2026 OTL edition (if held and even if exists TTL) it'll be in the United Empire (or only in Britain-in-America?) and I believe that Brazil, United Provinces, Castille, France, Germany, Italy and United Empire/Britain still have conquered the championship from 1930 and beyond.

 

[Indicus]

Love the map. There are so many wonderful details, but my favorite has to be that Texan Caribbean colonial empire which is, as they say, very, very

 

[NZBushRanger]

Very nice map, what program/software did you use? (I'm saying that because I've seen maps like this on other threads).

 

[Excelsior]

Very nice map, what program/software did you use? (I'm saying that because I've seen maps like this on other threads).

 

[LeinadB93]

Looks awesome! Really love the Banat inclusion. I hope we’ll get a little bit on the history and its present condition, especially regarding its status as a monarchy

Thanks yep I'm excited about Banat and working on ironing out its history and modern structure.

Is the British monarch also the monarch of the Transvaal and Zimbabwe-Rhodesia? Or do they have their own monarch?

Yes for Zimbabwe-Rhodesia but no for Transvaal.

Can’t wait to see more about the Philippines! Very interested to see how it functions with a British Head of State.

Thanks yes it's a very interesting country ITTL.

Yeah Mormonism is a very American centric religion, it's basically said that God created America to be the zion of the world iirc. Basically taking the civic religion to the max so if the Colonies never rebelled/was defeated Mormons can't really exist, especially if the Anglican church is prominent.

I guess for SLC I would personally use another name like Los Timpanogos or just Timpanogos, Maybe even Sego Lily City lol

I'd personally go with the name given to the lake by the Shoshone and just call it Ti'tsa-pa.

Could also do a weird anglicized version of it Tispa, Titspa, Titsapa

or just Lago Salado

Gone for Lake Timpanogos and Ciudad del Lago Salado.

Looks stunning.

Why didn't the United Empire didn't include Westralia, Australia, and New Zealand as it was in the original part?
How did Siberia/Far East come

As outlined previously; larger colonies like Australia, Westralia and NZ were never given representation in the Commons, and therefore moved towards independence within the Commonwealth during the 20th century. Japanese Siberia came about from the global conflicts of the early 20th century.

1. Is the Corsican monarch descended from the House of Bonaparte?
2. Are there any countries that have the French monarch as their head of state besides France itself?
3. Does the Second French Empire still happen ITTL?

1. Yes.
2. Yep; Gabon, Ivory Coast, and Kouillou.
3. Nope.

First of all, another great map by you, @LeinadB93. Make this illustration is a herculean job and I think that's entirely amazing. Incredible job!

Second, I have some questions about it:

• First it's about, obviously, Brazil. They've lost some territory on Amapá and Rio Grande do Sul and differently from HB 1.0, Uruguay's territory is now into the United Provinces. I didn't managed to understood the OTL territories from Paraguay, Bolivia, Peru, Venezuela and Guyana that Brazil have achieved on HB 2.0. At least not exactly.
• Second it's about our hermano neighbor into the United Provinces. It's still called Argentina or Platinia or something related to the Rio de la Plata or silver? Nice detail on putting Colonia del Sacramento into the dominions of the United Empire, though.
• Third it's about Greece. It's quite a Greek-wank TTL, isn't? I wouldn't think that part of Turkey's territory in Smirna (I believe it's something related to WWI TTL or OTL) and nor Cyrenaica and that headache frontier (damn Sid Meier's Civilization lol).
• Fourth it's about Russia. Is Soviet/Sovereign Union a thing TTL yet? Because in HB 1.0 it was a "semi-reformed" socialist state that was around yet, but I think that's not the reality on HB 2.0 anymore. Even more because Siberia and the Japanese exclave into the continent.
• Fifth it's about her: the FIFA World Cup. Because I believe that 2026 OTL edition (if held and even if exists TTL) it'll be in the United Empire (or only in Britain-in-America?) and I believe that Brazil, United Provinces, Castille, France, Germany, Italy and United Empire/Britain still have conquered the championship from 1930 and beyond.

Thanks

1. Slightly different outcomes to conflicts throughout the 19th century results in the different borders.
2. It's still called the United Provinces of the Río de la Plata, but the United Provinces, or Argentina, for short. Thanks I like it
3. Yes Greece has done significantly better at territorial expansionism compared to OTL. That's not exactly a good thing though...
4. No the Sovereign Union is not a thing ITTL.
5. Unclear on FIFA, but if the competition does exist ITTL it would be different to OTL. In international football I would say your rankings make sense though, except the UE would compete as separate home nations.

Love the map. There are so many wonderful details, but my favorite has to be that Texan Caribbean colonial empire which is, as they say, very, very

Thanks yes I think it's quite interesting.

Very nice map, what program/software did you use? (I'm saying that because I've seen maps like this on other threads).

Thanks Inkscape is my preferred software.

 

[Analytical Engine]

If there was no Second Empire, is France ruled by the Bourbons? (Either the Legitimists or Orleanists)

Did the Boers set up their own monarch? Or did they import one?

 

[Excelsior]

If there was no Second Empire, is France ruled by the Bourbons? (Either the Legitimists or Orleanists)

In the original thread I remember the Orleanists being the French monarchs. However, it could be quite interesting if the legitimist line of the Bourbons continued somehow.

 

[Aron MacEanraig]

Is there basis for an identity or significant language use in Manchuria or are they doomed to unite with China/ Japan?
Is there an Uighur community in West China and if so, does Turkestan aiming to take those territories?
Is Pontus a Hellenic speaking country?
Is there/ has there ever been an aim for a Caribbean integration?
Are there any countries with non clear forms of government (such as hereditary presidency/ republic where titles may be used/ elective regency/ monarchy without nobility)?
Do you have a list of official, long state names?
Any countries entertaining the idea of changing name/ form of government/ flags?