Basileus' Interference Timeline

A map for 750 AD Europe

I hope this can clarify things, at least from 750 onwards...




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It helps somewhat, thanks.

BTW, I forget. Is Korea united yet? I remember Silla and the Chinese trashing Koguryo, but I don't remember whether they crushed Paekche/Bekchae or not.
 
780-790

Summary: eastern Byzantum declines under the ineffective rule of Irene, who reimposes icon-worship; Western Byzantium is bashed and reduced; a third Caliphate springs up!


781 A strong Abbasid army reinvades Anatolia and defeats the Byzantines at the Mauropotamos, not far from Nicaea

782 Marcianus Bulla dies in Syracuse, leaving the Western Byzantine crown to his second son Leontius III

783 The (Eastern) Byzantine general, the eunuch Staurakios, subdues the Slavs of Macedonia, where a new Byzantine theme (province) is established. In Anatolia Byzantium is instead defeated when the strategos of the Buccellarion theme, Tatzates, defects to the Abassids: the Byzantines have to pay tribute and return the border fortress of Melitene (*OTL Malatya) to Caliph Harun ar-Rashid

784 The Japanese capital is moved to Nagaoka. Offa the Mighty, king of Mercia, builds Offa’s Wall against Welsh encroachments. The Maurians (*OTL Moroccans) take and sack Tlemsen: the Kahinid Exarchate fragments in local Numidian petty principalities, divided between the influence of Mauretania and that of Western Byzantium/Syracuse

785 Saxony is finally conquered and forcibly Christianized by HRCEW Charles I the Great after almost thirty years of bloody campaigns

ca. 785 Foundation of the kingdom of Kanem northeast of Lake Chad under king Dugu, from the mixed-blood black-Berber Kanuris

786 In Constantinople empress regent Irene has a council of bishops held to renegade Iconoclasm, but the army, strongly Iconoclast, forcibly dissolves it. Leo II, prince of Abasgia/Lazica/Abkhazia and a grandson of the Khazar Khagan, expels the Byzantines from western Iberia/Georgia, which passes under Khazar suzerainty. Ashot I Bagratuni the Great puts an end to the civil wars in inner Iberia/Georgia and ascends the royal throne at Tao-Klarjeti

787 The Council of Nicaea, this time held peacefully, condemns Iconoclasm. First large Danish Viking raid upon England. The Khazars subdue the Bishopric of Doros, the last independent Gothic stronghold in the Taurida (*OTL Crimea)

788 A new swift campaign of emperor Charles in southern Italy, with Lombard support, crushes the Western Byzantine Exarchates of Salerno and Taranto at the battle of Conza (Campania); the former is entrusted as appanage to Pepin the Hunchback, Charles’s first disinherited son, as King of Salerno; the latter goes to Anspert, younger brother of king Liutpert of (northern) Lombardy, as Duke of Taranto, while its territories north of the Ofanto river are annexed to Spoleto. Leontius III Bulla, withdrawing south, leads the strong defence of Calabria, gaining a defensive victory at Castroleone (*OTL Campo Tenese), where he builds a strong fortress. The Franks also quash Slovenian unrest in the vassal principality of Koroška/Carantania (Carinthia). Reunification of the Arakan kingdom (western Burma) under the Wethali dynasty

788-790 The (northern) Lombard king Liutpert attacks the Venetic Exarchate of Adria wresting Triest and Histria from it, while the Spoletan Lombards besiege Ravenna; in the end the Venet(ic)ians of Doge (Duke) John Galbaius, seeing their profitable trade with the interior blocked, surrender and accept to pay tribute and recognize a nominal Frankish-Lombard suzerainty in a peace accord brokered by Pope Adrian I: for the intermediation the Papacy gains Ravenna

789-791 Idris ibn Abdallah, a Shiite scion of Prophet Muhammad through ‘Alì, exiled with many followers first from Baghdad, then from Egypt, conquers Tripoli and crushes the Kharijite State of Djebel Nefusah, founding the first Shiite Caliphate in Lybia; now Islam has no more two, but three rival Caliphs!

790 The (eastern) Byzantine army dictates the end of Irene’s regency at Constantinople, enthroning as the legitimate basileus 20-year-old Constantine VI. The Malay kingdom of Srivijaya, ruled by the Sailendra dynasty (claiming descendance from the Funan empire rulers), conquers lower Chenla and vassalizes the Khmers. Idris ibn Abdallah’s forces retake the island of Djirva (*OTL Djerba) from Western Byzantium/Syracuse

ca. 790 Dhruva Rashtrakuta of Karnataka defeats Vathsaraja of the Gurjara-Pratiharas of central India and Dharmapala of Bengal and extracts tribute from the ruler of Kanauj, enforcing Rashtrakutan paramountry on southern-central India. Daylam (an area of northern Persia/Iran between Rayy and the Caspian Sea), a Zoroastrian stronghold, breaks free from the Abbasid Caliphate under Justan I
 
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Wow

There are limits of a alt-hist and hist that I can stomach

This is going beyond the boundaries and sailing to other seas that I cannot reach.

It's a great TL- I applaud your patience and fortitude in charting a world's history and not simply a TL centered around a nation or a continent.

It's along the lines of the 3rd Hittite Empire TL- but bigger!


My advise would only be cut it down to 5 years post. Then- I guess- I could stomach more- because you've crammed not only Europe's history but India's, Asia's, and every other region on the Earth on to the particular year that passes-
 

Grey Wolf

Donor
786 In Constantinople empress regent Irene has a council of bishops held to renegade Iconoclasm, but the army, strongly Iconoclast, forcibly dissolves it. Leo II, prince of Abasgia/Lazica/Abkhazia and a grandson of the Khazar Khagan, expels the Byzantines from western Iberia/Georgia, which passes under Khazar suzerainty. Ashot I Bagratuni the Great puts an end to the civil wars in inner Iberia/Georgia and ascends the royal throne at Tao-Klarjeti

Fascinating mixture of names that some places have - what's the origin of Lazica for Abkhazia ? Is the khaz bit in Abkhazia due to the Khazars, and thus Lazica was a name predating them ?

I'm assuming Bagratuni is the ancestor of the Bagrations who ruled Georgia until the nineteenth century and then continued as Russian princes thereafter. Why was Georgia known as Iberia ?

Grey Wolf
 
Grey Wolf said:
Fascinating mixture of names that some places have - what's the origin of Lazica for Abkhazia ? Is the khaz bit in Abkhazia due to the Khazars, and thus Lazica was a name predating them ?

I'm assuming Bagratuni is the ancestor of the Bagrations who ruled Georgia until the nineteenth century and then continued as Russian princes thereafter. Why was Georgia known as Iberia ?

Grey Wolf

Questions, questions... On lazica I dont'lnow if the name Abkhazia has to do with the Khazars: I'd say no, as it is the local form for Abasgia, a name, AFAIR, the Romans knew. Lazica menas land of the Lazes, another name the Abasgians or Abkhazians were known with. The Bagratuni, yes, are THOSE Bagratuni or Bagrationov. Iberia was the most ancient name of Georgia (Georgia derives from a Persian word to indicate the country), and that commonly used in Byzantine times. It is singular that is the same name you apply to the ancient inhabitants of Spain and the British Isles. This gives something to muse about to; but the root can also be compared with the E-Ber of "Hebrews", if this is the game... :D
 
G.Bone said:
Wow

There are limits of a alt-hist and hist that I can stomach

This is going beyond the boundaries and sailing to other seas that I cannot reach.

It's a great TL- I applaud your patience and fortitude in charting a world's history and not simply a TL centered around a nation or a continent.

It's along the lines of the 3rd Hittite Empire TL- but bigger!


My advise would only be cut it down to 5 years post. Then- I guess- I could stomach more- because you've crammed not only Europe's history but India's, Asia's, and every other region on the Earth on to the particular year that passes-


Like very much this comment.
My TL has a clear lesson, in the end; that the world is great and made of very different realities, and though you'll focus more on things you know and are near to, you simply can't ignore the rest... because the rest can invade you (or being invaded by you) at any moment :D RISIKO RULES!

P.S. Today, in a moment of high doubt to solve a civil war in a sense or another, I resorted to the last weapon for the doubtful: the I Ching online divination... Instant predictions! :D
 
Ok, ok, I'll post it into 5 years bits now. The easier and quicker the posting, the quicker and esier the reading.

790-791 The Tibetans enforce their rule on Eastern Turkestan by taking or subduing Kashgar, Beytin, Kucha, Aqsu and Khotan

791 HRCEW Charles I the Great and Liutpert of (northern) Lombardy completely destroy the Avar power base at the Ring, near Vienna

792 Kardam Khan’s Bulgarians rout basileus Constantine VI at Markellai. The (northern) Lombard king Liutpert bestows temporal power upon the Patriarchate of Aquileia, sharing power with the Frankish-appointed duke of Friul Eric; Aquileia is by now the greatest European diocese

792-793 The ungrateful Constantine VI reinstates his mother’s clique in power, alienating his former supporters in the Armeniakon theme, who rebel against him and are brutally suppressed

793 King Offa of Mercia conquers East Anglia. Viking raids harass the Alban
Isles (*TTL collective name for Shetlands, Orkneys, Hebrides)

794 HRCEW Charles I the Great exterminates by treason the ever rebellious Saxon nobles at Verden on the Aller river. Leontius III dies in a hunt accident in Ifrigia (*OTL Tunisia), leaving Western Byzantium/Syracuse to his only son, the young Marcianus II Bulla. Japan finally sets its capital at Heian/Kyoto. The Council of Lhasa enforces Buddhism as Tibet’s state religion

794-795 Tibetans and Western Göktürks rout the Uygurs, but general Khutlugh (an Eastern Göktürk by origin) saves the Uygur Khanate and ascends to the throne

795 Charles the Great plunges on the Visigoths of Spain on behalf of a pretender to the crown of Spain, Fredegarius; the Franks, heartily supported by the half-Jewish army of Septimania, trounce and kill king Sigisbald’s army in the battle of the Ebro and Fredegarius is enthroned in Toledo as a Frankish vassal, with Frankish-appointed margraves to control the “marches” (border lands) of Barcelona, Gerona and Saragossa. Constantine VI of Byzantium divorces his wife Maria to marry Rotrude, daughter of the HRCEW Charles the Great. Pope Adrian I dies in Rome after an impressive 23 year long pontificate; Charles the Great will call him “father” in the epitaph. In Brittany the Meriadoc dynasty of Dukes goes extinct and is replaced by the Frodaldingians. Irish monks discover Iceland. The T’ang Chinese defeat the Tartars
 
basileus said:
784 The Japanese capital is moved to Nagaoka.

*blinks* That's quite far from Kansai(which was by then the center of Japan). I could see a move to Nagoya, or even keeping the capital in Nara, but Nagaoka seems to be somewhat out of the way(of course, the surrounding area would become more important with the capital there).
 
796-800

796 The common Shi’a menace brings about a peace between two of the three rival Caliphates, the Abbasids of Baghdad and the Omayyads of al-Fustat. The fierce plunder of Lindisfarne Abbey (Northumbria) by the Norsemen marks the beginning of the Viking Era. Khan Kardam’s Bulgarians raid into Avar territory in Pannonia

796-803 A Jewish religious uprising, led by the messianic figure of Isaac Reba, upsets Numidia. After subduing (or destroying) several town and lands the rebels in the end are crushed by the concerted reaction of the Numidian post-Kahinid states, led by the Tiaret/Tahert principality. The Shi’a Idrisids of Lybia mount increasing raids into Ifrigia (*OTL Tunisia), depopulating the south

797 Basileus Constantine VI of Byzantium is deposed and blinded by his own mother Irene, who thereafter rules by herself; Constantine’s wife Rotrude manages to escape to Italy with her infant son Leo, the legitimate heir to the Eastern Byzantine throne, taking afterwards refuge first in Rome, then in Aquisgrana/Aachen. HRCEW Charles the Great enforces the reestablishment of the Celtic kingdom of Gallastria (Galicia and Asturia) under king Sevan, who takes the name of Tiago I

798 The Abbasids of Caliph Harun-ar Rashid, no more checked by the Byzantine themes’ armies, overrun anew Anatolia up to the Marmara Sea; empress Irene is forced to renewe tribute. A few weeks later, catching the unique opportunity of the moment, Marcianus II Bulla sails from Syracuse with a very powerful fleet. The eastern Byzantine fleet, instead of confronting Marcianus II, hails him as basileus and escorts him through the Dardanelles up to Constantinople, where empress Irene experiences her turn of being blinded and forever confined in a nunnery, while his all-powerful ally, Staurakios, is beheaded: the Byzantine Empire is thus reunified. Pepin the Hunchback, king of Salerno and son of Charles the Great, kills the teenage Desiderius, Duke of Taranto and nephew of Liutpert of (northern) Lombardy, and steals his Duchy. In England the kingdom of Kent is annexed by paramount Mercia

799 Charles the Great comes back to Italy to reinstall Pope Leo III, who had been almost lynched in Rome by the local anti-Frankish party; but when he is moving against his disinherited son Pepin the Hunchback, he is poisoned in a conspiracy led by Pepin himself, who thereafter marches on Rome (while most of the Frankish army withdraws north) and forces Pope Leo III to crown him as the new Holy Roman Catholic Emperor of the West, to the horror of his surviving half-brothers Charles, Theodoric/Pepin and Louis the Pious. Duke Eric of Friul falls in battle against the Croats near Fiume/Rijeka. The Abbasid Caliph of Baghdad Harun ar-Rashid murders in jail the seventh Shi’a Imam, Musa al-Kazim (not recognized the Ismaili Shiites). Yazid I ibn Mazyad al-Shayban founds the emirate of Shirvan, the first Muslim state in Azerbaigian

800 Pepin the Hunchback’s suzerainty is rejected by the Lombards, who call the three sons of the murdered emperor (none of whom has still claimed the crown for himself) for help, but no avail for the moment; in fact Charles’s three sons are already quarrelling about their respective spheres of influence. Leo II of Abasgia/Abkhasia (NW Iberia/Georgia), vassal to the Khazars, assumes the royal title as Leo I

ca. 800 The Celtic kingdom of Dumnonia/Devon is incorporated into Wessex. In Norway the local kingdom of Romerike is absorbed into Hedmark; the Norwegian Vikings embark in a string of methodical raids on the British Isles, especially targeting Ireland. Viseslav Trpimirović is the first ban (duke) of Croatia. A new Slavic principality arises at Nitra (Slovacchia), breaking free from Avar overlordship. The Berghawata Maurians develop an own Judeo-Christian apocalyptic heresy based on the wait for a Second Messiah to announce the end of times; it also contemplates the presence of a High Priest and a Temple the Berghawata proceed to build in Warzazata (*OTL Ouarzazate). The Magyars, vast Ugro-Turkic tribal compact coming from the Urals and western Siberia, are pushed towards the southwest by the Volga Bulgarians and become paramount in eastern Ucraina orientale. The Khazars retake Bosporon/Kerč from the Onogurs of Taurida (*OTL Crimea). Conversion of Khorezm (western Central Asia) to Sunni Islam; the Persian Samanids start acting as Abbasid governors in Samarkand. Tripartite struggle for power in central-northern India: Nagabhata II of the Gurjara-Pratiharas takes Kanauj from Chakrayudha, protegé of Dharmapala of Bengal, only to be ousted by Govinda III Rashtrakuta. The Paramara Rajputs, vassal and related to the Rashtrakutas of Karnataka and Deccan, reestablish the kingdom of Malwa (central India). Mazdeism begins to spread in Western peninsular India. The Songhais, coming from NW Nigeria, found their kingdom at Gao on the middle Niger under king Alyaman. Foundation of the Jewish kingdom of Beta Yisrael in the Ethiopian highlands. B’aakal/Palenque is destroyed, the city abandoned; many other Mayan city-State in the south are suddenly destroyed or abandoned for untold reasons (invasions? famine? mass insanity?)
 
Great map but I think you need a sort of factsheet on the various "Major" kingdoms of Europe is and do it for all the other stuff that appear in your TL for better recognition of what the hell is going on.
 

Grey Wolf

Donor
Very nice map, the slither of the Papacy is an interesting thing - was it really that thin ? And 'Irish Monks' in Iceland - is the sum total of its population at this period ? I'm really intrigued ~! Did they just go and establish a few monasteries or is there a sort of Irish monastical government over other settlers ?

Grey Wolf
 
On the Irish monks, well, it is a well-known fact there were hermits in Iceland whne the Norsemen first arrived. obviously they were either massacred or fled towards safer places.

>>What the hell is going on<< Most excellent definition: but I have to choose between a diachronic way of presenting fact and a regional/local one. I can't do BOTH at the same time, b/c of the makeshift nature of this TL, you see... Only when the GREAT PICTURE will be set, and anything will only be details, I will be able to show this the other way.
 
OMG, in the map the two Byzantine empires are still divided... :( :eek:
Well, already in 803 they are already divided anew, so forget about it :D
 
801-805

I'll try to further simplify things by putting "territorial markers" before news for each year. But beware: events cannot be too neatly labeled that way.

801

Western Europe:
The Treaty of Weissenburg carves the HRCEW between Charles’s three “legitimate” sons: Charles II the German, the elder son, receives East Francia (Germany), Bavaria and the imperial title, Theodoric/Pepin obtains the lands from Frisia to Aquitaine and Louis the Pious Burgundy, Provence, Septimania. The three brothers then strike a deal to jointly attack Pepin the Hunchback “to free the Papacy and avenge our beloved father”

802

Western Europe:
When his half-brothers move against him appearing in Italy, Pepin II the Hunchback is lynched by a mob in Rome; Charles II, therafter, is crowned in St. Peter in the presence of his brothers, not before humiliating and deposing Pope Leo III for crowning his father’s assassin, and replacing him with the Irish St. Cassian of Hibernia, the most brilliant scholar of the Carolingian court, who takes the name of Patricius. Salerno and Taranto, now both reduced to Duchies, are entrusted to Frankish dukes loyal to Charles II. The Venet(ic)ians, led by their Doge John Galbaius, sack Grado and kill Patriarch John.

British Isles:
The Norwegian Vikings sack and destroy the great Irish abbey of Iona, in the Hebrides. Anglo-Saxon Wiccia (Hwicce) is finally annexed to Mercia.

Byzantine Empire:
The Byzantine general Bardanes the Turk, an important strategos (theme governor) in Anatolia, rebels in support of iconoclasm and against the “Syracusan Iconophile usurper” Marcianus II Bulla and actually deprives Byzantium of control over its main Asian stronghold.

SE Asia:
King Jayavarman II of upper Chenla, grown at the Srivijayan court, frees the Khmers and the Mekong delta region from Srivijaya and founds the new kingdom of Kambuja, holding sway over Laos, Siam, Cambodia and Cochinchina

803

Byzantine Empire:
Marcianus II Bulla attacks Bardanes the Turk in Anatolia but is routed at the battle of Dadastana; hunted by the winner, Marcianus flees back first to Athens, thence to Syracuse, and the Byzantine Empire is anew divided.

Western Europe:
Charles II and Liutpert of (northern) Lombardy make Friul a March and occupy Dalmatia taking advantage of Byzantine weakness.

Central-Eastern Europe:
After wresting the region between the Tisza and Transylvania from the crumbling Avars, the fierce Krum, lord of the Pannonian Onogurs and a scion of the Dulo clan, ascends the throne of Bulgaria: his kingdom stretches from the middle Danube to the Black Sea.

India:
Govinda III Rashtrakuta defeats and vassalizes an alliance of Pallava, Pandya, Chera and Ganga forces in SE Deccan; his younger brother Indra founds a second Rashtrakuta dynasty in Gujarat

804

Central-Eastern Europe:
A joint action between Charles II the German and Khan Krum of Bulgaria crushes the Avars in Pannonia; the Bulgarians gain vast swathes of land in Dacia and Pannonia, the surviving Avar are vassals to the HRCEW.

Byzantine Empire:
A new council summoned in Chalcedon by basileus Bardanes reimposes Iconoclasm, supported by most of the army, in the eastern Byzantine empire.

Caucasus:
After long struggles Ashot I Bagratuni nicknamed the Carnivore, king of Iberia/Georgia, is able to take over also the throne of Armenia (as Ashot III); he rebels against Abbasid suzerainty with eastern Byzantine support, but cannot take Tbilisi (where a Caliphal emir rules) and break ties with Baghdad

805

Western Europe:
King Godfred’s Danes repel a Frankish invasion led by HRCEW Charles II; in th campaign an Indian war elephant, a kind present of the Abassid Caliph Harun ar-Rashid, is used, but to no avail, then Godfred is killed by his men and order on the border is restored.

British Isles:
The Celtic kingdom of Strathclyde annexes North Rheged through dynastical ties.

Central-Eastern Europe:
The Avar Khan Zodan, vassal to the Franks, receives baptism with the name of Theodore.

Middle East:
Harun ar-Rashid manages to newly subdue the rebellious Daylamites of N Persia
 
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