Indonesia ATL: The Presidency of Try Sutrisno (1997-)

157: The Petition of Thirty Five
4th February 2002:
At the Presidential Palace today, President Try Sutrisno today swore in the following:
*Ir. Indra Bambang Utoyo as Minister of Transmigration
*Ir. Cacuk Sudarijanto as State Minister of State-Owned Enterprises
*H. Rusnain Yahya as State Minister of Development of Eastern Indonesia and Special Economic Zones
*Ir. HM. Ridwan Hisjam as State Minister of Urban Development
*Ir. Al Hilal Hamdi as State Minister of Research and Technology
*Dr. Ir. Bambang Subianto as Junior Minister of Finance
*Ir. Tadjuddin Noer Said as Junior Minister of Cooperatives

He also swore in the following:
*Lt. Gen. Endriartono Sutarto as Head of the BNPP
*Herwidayatmo SE., MBA as Head of the IBRA
*Drs. Jusuf Kalla as Ambassador to Japan
*Lt. Gen. Johnny Lumintang as Ambassador to the Philippines

At a DPR Hearing, Chairman of the KPU HBL Mantiri reported on election preparations but came under questioning by DPR Member Fadli Zon (PKPB) about the “legality” of the President’s recent “political maneuvers”. Mantiri said that unless the President has decided to intervene, openly or otherwise, with the way the KPU is run to help one of the 4 political parties to win, he could not point to any illegality. When Fadli asked whether there was an advantage in being an incumbent, Mantiri said it was a matter for political scientists.

5th February 2002:
Minister of Finance Mar’ie Muhammad and Junior Minister of Finance Bambang Subianto came out of a meeting with the President. Mar’ie said that the job description of the junior minister’s position has been changed from non-fiscal matters falling within the purview of the Department of Finance to coordinating and maximizing revenue collection whether it is tax revenue, non-tax revenue, duties, and excise. Bambang said that the President has a great ambition for this nation and that it’s his job to collect the necessary revenue for the President to achieve his goals.

Speaking at a PKPI DPR Candidates’ Training Camp in Ujung Pandang, South Sulawesi, Chairwoman of the PKPB Tutut Soeharto said that the President, the government, and the PKPI has their backs to the wall and nothing changes that.

6th February 2002:
The President accompanied by Minister of Religion Quraish Shihab today visited Soekarno-Hatta International Airport to inspect those who were departing for Mecca for the Hajj. After shaking hands and talking with pilgrims, the President and Quraish went into a VIP room where they were joined by Minister of Foreign Affairs Ginandjar Kartasasmita, Minister of Mining and Energy Djiteng Marsudi, and Chief of BAKIN Ari Sudewo.

Ginandjar produced a letter from Saudi Arabian Minister of Foreign Affairs Saud bin Faisal. The letter was an official written complaint from the Saudi Government saying that so long as the Indonesian government “does not shift its stance on the LIPIA”, the Saudi Government could not allow work on Exor II to continue.

Ari Sudewo said that the monitoring and gathering of intelligence on LIPIA will not cease and the government could not compromise on that. Ginandjar however said that Indonesia needs something to offer to the Saudis as a compromise otherwise work will not continue on Exor II. Quraish advised that whatever the government tries to do, it should not do it during Hajj pilgrimage season when a lot of Indonesians are over in Saudi Arabia.

The meeting came to a dead end with the President asking Djiteng to make sure that Exor III and Exor IV are still in progress.

7th February 2002:
The President met today with Vice President JB Sumarlin, Minister of Economics and National Development Planning Dorodjatun Kuntjoro-Jakti, Mar’ie Muhammad, Governor of BI Boediono, State Secretary Edi Sudrajat, and Cabinet Secretary Hayono Isman. The following were discussed:

*Dorodjatun reported that that the United States economy is showing signs the recovery from the 2001 recession. That said, the European Union and Canada will still experiencing the aftereffects of the recession throughout the first months of 2002. Japan is also still in recession, a combination of the effects of the United States going through recession and Prime Minister Koichi Kato’s structural reforms. The exchange rate as of today is $1= Rp. 3,827.

The President asked what would be the effects on the Indonesian economy. Sumarlin said that at the moment things are quite secure from an economic standpoint saying that whatever investments from Western Europe were secured prior to the recession taking effect last year so that there is no question of foreign investors wanting to delay setting up its operations so the prospect is “quite promising” for 2002. Boediono said that inflation is under control and that the fuel prices were adjusted at the right moment.

*Mar’ie said that fiscally Indonesia was in a good position. A combination of internal reforms in the Directorate General of Taxation, improved collection, and good economic conditions had contributed to the increased amount of taxpayers the President cited in the Draft Budget speech a few weeks ago. This strong position wil be further bolstered at the start of the next financial year when the 10 year moratorium on debt payments takes effect.

*Boediono reported that the first credit applications from the priority sectors as listed in the January 2002 Policy Package have begun to flow in. The President instructed Boediono that the state banks must make sure the creditworthiness of all those applying to borrow money under this program as well as making sure that the credit is paid back in due course. The President also asked Boediono that the state banks must also ensure that it is still within its capacity through these loans. That some sectors are designated as a priority does not mean a free-for-all.

8th February 2002:
Departing early in the morning from Jakarta, the President arrived at the edge of the Jakarta-Cikampek Toll Road for a ceremony. There, accompanied by Minister of Public Works Rachmat Witoelar and Governor of West Java Muzani Syukur, the President inaugurated:

*Cikopo-Palimanan Toll Road
*Kanci-Pejagan Toll Road

Speaking to the press gathered there, Rachmat highlighted the fact that Cikopo-Palimanan is a long stretch of Toll Road, some 116 KM in length. He explained that as far as the Trans-Java Toll Road was concerned, the West Java portion of the Trans-Java is nearly completed, some of the Central Java portion is completed, and work continues in East Java to complete the first stretch of the Trans-Java Toll Road located there.

9th February 2002:
At a meeting of ICMI’s National Leadership Council, Chairman of ICMI Nurcholish Madjid announced that he had gotten the signatures of 35 organizations, including ICMI, on his petition declaring that these organizations will be neutral in the coming political contests and asking the government to acknowledge this neutrality. Nurcholish said that he will be taking this petition to the President in the next few days.

11th February 2002:
Minister of Forestry and Environment Barnabas Suebu and Head of BKPM Mari Pangestu held a joint press conference. Barnabas reminded all holders of forest concessions that their deadline for ensuring that their concessions comply with the rules will be 31st July 2002. After that their concessions will be revoked and will be taken over by the state-owned forestry enterprise, Perhutani. Mari said that owing to the combined size of the concessions, the BKPM will allow domestic and/or foreign and domestic joint venture to then take over these concessions from the Perhutani.

When asked if there have been improvements in regulatory compliance, Barnabas smiled and said yes. Some illegal sawmills have closed down or have applied for permits so that it can become legal. Much however is still left to be desired from some of the “big names”.

The President and Minister of Education Fakry Gaffar dropped in at Jakarta State University (UNJ) and visited a lecture for students who will be earning degrees in early childhood education. Speaking to the press afterwards, Fakry said that the government is serious about including kindergarten as part of what constitutes primary education and that starting from the next school year there will be a noticeable expansion in the availability of kindergarten places and the opportunity for parents to have their children attend kindergarten.

12th February 2002:
Nurcholish Madjid, accompanied by Chairman of the Indonesian Cooperatives Council (Dekopin) Sri Edi Swasono, Chairman of the PHRI Jakob Oetama, Chairman of the Indonesian Young Businessmen Association (HIPMI) Bambang Hariyadi Sukamdani, and Chairman of the FKPPI Bambang Wiyogo, today visited the Presidential Palace.

The President was flanked by Minister of Home Affairs Harsudiono Hartas and Edi Sudrajat on one side of the table as Nurcholish explained the situation from the other side. Nurcholish acknowledges the progress that has been made in all aspects of life as a nation and feels that the nation has taken a step forward by where it is unlikely that Indonesia will ever again have a sole presidential candidate.

At the same time, the “intensity of the contest ahead” must not be such that the nation’s various organizations are torn apart because individuals within them are throwing their support behind the President or Tutut Soeharto or Megawati Soekarnoputri. It is not healthy considering these organizations must be able to work with the government regardless of the results of the 2002 Elections and the 2003 MPR Session. Individuals, including those belonging to organizations, can throw their support behind the PKPI, the PKPB, the PPP, and the PNI but these organizations must retain their non-partisanship.

Accordingly, Nurcholish said, he has taken it upon himself to go around and ask for the leaders of the organizations affix their signatures on a petition declaring their organizations to be neutral in the 2002 Elections and the 2003 MPR Session and calling for that neutrality to be acknowledged by the government. Nurcholish said that the petition has not been signed by all organizations which exists in Indonesia but enough major organizations has signed on for it

Nurcholish took the petition from his folder and handed it to the President who studied it.

Cak Nur, first of all I just to thank you for this and your other contributions to public life” he said “And I do acknowledge that as we go into a partisan period in our political cycle there are those who would like to choose not to take sides.”

There was a pause as the President looked at the list of the organizations which have signed the petition.

*The Indonesian Muslim Intellectuals Association (ICMI)
*The Indonesian Farmers Harmony Association (HKTI)
*The All-Indonesian Fishermens’ Association (HNSI)
*The Republic of Indonesia Teachers’ Association (PGRI)
*The All-Indonesian Workers’ Union (SPSI)
*The Indonesian Chamber of Commerce and Industry (Kadin)
*The Indonesian Women’s Congress (Kowani)
*The Indonesian Youths’ National Congress (KNPI)
*The Republic of Indonesia Civil Servants Corps (Korpri)
*The Indonesian Journalists’ Association (PWI)
*The Indonesian Cooperatives Council (Dekopin)
*The Indonesian Young Businessmen Association (Hipmi)
*The Indonesian Sons and Daughters of Retired Officers Communication Forum (FKPPI)
*The Indonesian Hotels and Restaurants Association (PHRI)
*The Veterans’ Legion of the Republic of Indonesia (LVRI)
*The Press Enterprises Association (SPS)
*The Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI)
*The Alliance of Churches in Indonesia (PGI)
*The Indonesian Bishops Council (KWI)
*The Representatives of Indonesian Buddhists (Walubi)
*The Indonesian Dharma Hindu Association (PHDI)
*The Indonesian Confucianism High Council (Matakin)
*The Islamic Students’ Association (HMI)
*The Islamic Students’ Association Alumni Corps (KAHMI)
*The Indonesian Engineers’ Association (PII)
*The Indonesian Doctors’ Association (IDI)
*The Indonesian Petroleum Association
*The Indonesian Exporters Businesses Association (GPEI)
*The All-Indonesian National Importers Association (GINSI)
*The All-Indonesian National Construction Contractors Association (Gapensi)
*The Indonesian Red Cross (PMI)
*The Indonesian Scouts’ Movement
*The Indonesian Advocates’ Association (IKADIN)
*The Indonesian Film Artists’ Association (PARFI)
*The Indonesian National Private Radio Broadcasters’ Association (PRSSNI)


“I know that there are organizations that want to avoid being torn apart and there are those who just genuinely don’t want to take sides, but you do realize there are some on here that are just being opportunistic, right?” asked the President.

“I don’t deny that”, said Nurcholish “It’s just the case that in this case I am prioritizing those who would like to not take sides over their motives, whatever those motives may be.”

The President studied Nurcholish’s face and for a few seconds there were tension in the room, the tension only subsided when the President told Nurcholish that he accepted the latter’s point. Much to the relief of Nurcholish the President moved on to asking that the organizations which have signed the petition commit themselves to making sure that neutrality does not mean that they do not vote.

“Even if you don’t want to openly take sides, I would ask that you still vote and encourage others to vote as well”, the President said to Nurcholish “It would do damage to your cause if a result of this petition, people become encouraged to not vote and join the Golput”.

“Of course, Mr. President”, replied Nurcholish “I myself individually will still vote, will those who are members of the organizations who signed the petitions. It’s the organizations that are remaining neutral, the individuals in it will still be part of the political process though it wil be up to them if they want to declare their political stance openly or not.”

“Very well, then”, said the President “I hope you will be making that clear.”

The meeting ended very cordially and even the President could be seen joking around with his guests. When the meeting broke up and the President was out of sight, however, Nurcholish complained to the others about how he knew that the President was going to suspect him of encouraging people not to vote under the guise of “not taking sides”.

When Nurcholish and his fellow petitioners exited the Presidential Palace, they found that the press were asking them whether they were encouraging people to not to vote and they had to once again explain their position. They were also finding that the press was already nicknaming them The Petition of Thirty Five because there were 35 organizations which had signed on to the petition.

13th February 2002:
For the first time since 1967, Chinese New Year is celebrated openly in Indonesia. Chairman of Nahdlatul Ulama Abdurrahman Wahid wrote an open letter which was published in the nation’s most prominent newspapers saying that while others may have their own reasons for supporting the President, his reason for continuing to support President Try is because he has shown himself to be a president for both the majority and the minority.

14th February 2002:
In a morning press conference at her residence, Chairwoman of the PNI Megawati Soekarnoputri said that she welcomed the Petition of 35 because in the current political situation and with a more sophisticated populace, it simply would not do for everything to be mobilized in favor of the ruling party. Elections will now be won or lost on the basis of which party can make the argument that they best represent the people.

When asked about the absence of NU and Muhammadiyah as well as the Indonesian Forestry Businessmen Association (APHI) and the Indonesian Panelwood Association (APKINDO) from the petition's signatories, Megawati said that this was to be expected. The NU and Muhammadiyah, along with others had openly thrown in their lot with the President whilst APHI and APKINDO, on the basis of their association with Bob Hasan, had thrown in their lot with Tutut Soeharto.

“The organization whose stance I am most curious in as we get closer to the election is ABRI”, said Megawati “It is too big and major of an organization in this country to not state clearly and plainly where they will stand at the next election. Whose side are they on? The people of Indonesia want to know.”

15th February 2002:
At the Presidential Palace, after a meeting with the President, Harsudiono Hartas held a press conference. He read out a statement on behalf of the President expressing his understanding if individuals and/or organizations feel that they do not want to take part in the partisanship of an election campaign but asks that when election day arrives, all those wishing to remain neutral will use their voting rights. The President also asks that no individuals be penalized by organizations if they would like to openly take sides.

A foreign journalist asked if the President could have taken a stronger stand against the Petition of 35.

“I think it’s not about a strong stand or a weak stand”, said Harsudiono “But I want to give you some food for thought.

The last time a group people sent a petition to an Indonesian President they ended up being unable to borrow money from a bank and not being able to leave the country, so far the Government had not made any statement that would indicate it’s not happy with the petitioners, the only statement so far is the one I read just now.

What about other presidential candidates? There’s definitely going to be more than one at the MPR Session next year.

As far the election goes, we’re 3 months out and so far what have we seen, the PKPB gaining ground on the PKPI. Yes, I said it, let’s be blunt about it…”

“What about Ibu Megawati’s comments yesterday about wanting to know where ABRI will stand in the election?” asked another member of the press.

“That’s a matter for ABRI which is beyond my jurisdiction” said Harsudiono “ABRI will answer for itself.”

After some more waiting, ABRI gave a clue that it will answer for itself. Commander of ABRI Wiranto arrived for a meeting for the President and came out half an hour later. He was immediately asked about what he thought of Megawati’s comments.

“I’ll take it as input”, said Wiranto “I’m just inside to discuss the agenda of the ABRI Leadership Meeting next week with the President for which he has given approval.”

“Will ABRI’s stance at the election be discussed?” asked a member of the press.

“Well we’ll be discussing the election and many other things”, replied Wiranto.

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Regarding the organizations that have declared themselves neutral here, I’ve just gone with some of the most prominent because after a while it was getting to the Dentists’ Association, Veterinarian’s Association etc. however there are some missing deliberately because they have chosen to “take sides”.

The general theme is that for these organizations, it’s something of a new territory because for 3 decades they had been directed to support Golkar during the elections. But now Golkar doesn’t exist and whether because they genuinely want to be neutral, avoid their organization being torn apart, or they want to be opportunistic, they’ve signed on to this petition.

The nickname of Petition of Thirty Five parallels the Petition of Fifty, an OTL petition handed to Soeharto in 1980 asking him to, among other things, stop equating himself with the national ideology of Pancasila and stop pushing ABRI to take the side of the government. Soeharto did not respond well to it and essentially made life hard for the signatories of the petition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petition_of_Fifty

Golput stands for Golongan Putih (White Group) and it’s a movement consisting of people who don’t want to vote. The name Golput is this group’s way of thumbing its nose at Golkar, the Soeharto Regime’s ruling party.

Ibu means Madam or mother.
 
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Hmm, i feel Nurcholish is being eroded from the inside - someone filtered the 35s chart and his real intention to Try circle.

Edit: Just read about the Petition of 50. That means ITTL there are 15 organizations with a well defined political position.
 
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I suggest for AURI they should have a high to low type for dual engine fighters such as:
Medium Fighter 72-84 Rafale (at least 6-7 Squadrons of 12 fighters)
Heavy Fighter 60-72 F-15s (at least 5-6 Squadrons of 12 fighters)
Since the country in size wise very big I thought we should focus on dual engine fighters for both range and endurance also with those numbers the AURI could have a fighter force of up to 132 or 156 that should be enough for the focus of the defense of the archipelago and maybe deploy some fighters outside the country (if the country that niat to actually send em). And bomber shouldn’t be necessary since F-15 and the Rafale are multiroles and has a quite big carrying capacity to conduct strike operations.
For AWACS maybe try pursuit to get Brazilian E-99 (for cost wise since it seems small and cheap) probably for up to 4-6 E-99.
And I suggest to focus on 3 types (Tactical, Strategic, Tanker). For Tactical you could get C-295 or C-130 while for Strategic you could get A400M or Kawasaki C-2. And for Tanker probably up to 4 A330 MRTT is should be enough. And I have a suggestion for organizational for the Air Force which are:
Major Commands
-Tactical Air Command (Main task to provide main fighter force for the country. Most of the combat aircraft and EW aircraft are under its command)

-Air Mobility Command (provide the air force and any part of the armed forces means of transporting goods by air)

Geographical Commands
-Air Forces West (1st Tactical Air Force)
Commanding all Air Force aircraft in the western part of the country.

-Air Forces Central (2nd Tactical Air Force)
Commanding all Air Force aircraft in the central part of the country.

-Air Forces East (3rd Tactical Air Force)
Commanding all Air Force aircraft in the eastern part of the country.
This is just a suggestion and if there are some parts here that are wrong or lacking please feel free to change it for correction.
- Rafale classified as Heavy Fighter and it's potential for transfer of technology is high unlike F-15. Intruthly US will only give airlifter and F-16 for transfer technology. Well for missile it need subtitution from Europe and Russia.

- Minimum necessity for indonesia are 200 (20bskuadron) workhorse aircraft, 80 (4skuadron) heavy fighter aircraft , 40 (2 skuadron) bomber, and 8 (1 skuadron) AEWCS.

- A-400 epic failed product so C-130H better for small airlifter. Well for heavy airlifter An-124 or C-17 Globalmaster. Candidates for sir refueling are KC-135 and KC-97bfor western aircraft and IL-78.

- E-99;and erieye capabiity still lower with Chinese Xian.

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- Rafale classified as Heavy Fighter and it's potential for transfer of technology is high unlike F-15. Intruthly US will only give airlifter and F-16 for transfer technology. Well for missile it need subtitution from Europe and Russia.

- Minimum necessity for indonesia are 200 (20bskuadron) workhorse aircraft, 80 (4skuadron) heavy fighter aircraft , 40 (2 skuadron) bomber, and 8 (1 skuadron) AEWCS.

- A-400 epic failed product so C-130H better for small airlifter. Well for heavy airlifter An-124 or C-17 Globalmaster. Candidates for sir refueling are KC-135 and KC-97bfor western aircraft and IL-78.

- E-99;and erieye capabiity still lower with Chinese Xian.

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Rafale is more seen as a medium fighter and if we compare it with F-15 in the carry capacity and range F-15 will be considered as a Heavy Fighter and Rafale is a medium fighter in carry capacity and range wise. Also for the composition of squadron (4 squadron of 80 fighters and 2 squadrons of Bombers), I'm not really an expert but if I'm not wrong that composition is essentially to oversized for a squadron since what I read somewhere other air forces usually limit the number of fighter within a squadron at least up to 12 or 18. The idea of putting numbers of 5 Squadrons of 12 Heavy fighters (60 fighters in total) and 6 Squadrons of 12 Medium Fighters (72 fighters in total) is so that we could spread them into wings that consist 1-2 squadrons each and spread the through out the country. More over having a specialized mission aircraft (like a bomber) would be counter productive because well in the current time a multirole aircraft is more the norm then specialized bomber. But my idea of having F-15 is because of its very large capacity and range would be perfect for Indonesia where we could identify the fighter as Multirole-Strike Fighter (Very much capable to be an Air Superiority with it's big BVRAAM capacity and at the same time has a very good niche to be a strike fighter because of its well again big capacity to carry large numbers of AGMs or ASMs). While the Rafale would be Multirole-Air Superiority (Very much a capable strike fighter but has a niche for Air Superiority because this fighter is more maneuverable then the F-15).

For Cargo planes I agree that the A400M project is a failure because of a really lengthy development. But the plane is pretty much working right now and in my opinion would be perfect for Indonesia because of the case that the C-17 felt so unnecessary for the country. Because we don’t really need that of a big strategic transport since we more focused on home defense and the A400M should already enough to fill that position. And also I expect in the future the country would purchase C-130J than the “H” since we actually already have the “H” in IRL. But it’s old as hell and as you can see also the track record, there are already a lot of accidents. So replacement of C-130H to “J” would be in a very dire need. Now for tanker, Why should we buy KC-135 (based on the older 707 which not in production anymore and probably spare parts is too expensive) and KC-97 (which is a old 1950-1970 is old tanker. We should focus more to purchase A330 MRTT since they are pretty much the future Tanker aircraft and a good one since a lot of countries IRL actually buy them.

For AEWC
To be honest our choices is pretty limited because most of the systems that exist are usually only came from US (E-7 wedgetail) or SAAB (Erieeye radar). For obvious reasons we wouldn’t even buy one from the PRC. But for this I also quite confused so I would like for the writer to put which choices that it wants if we would touch abt the ABRI later in the future.

also most of my suggestions are actually not for the early or late 2000s. I’m actually expect Indonesia to have this for the air force beyond the 2010s because as you can see try has just got his Sukhois and also there’s should enough flights per hour left for the F-16/F-5/and Hawk that we wouldn’t need to purchase new fighters urgently. But I suggest started to look things for the Cargo aircraft (in particular the C-130H since they are old as hell).
 
Also for what I mean before as Squadrons, Wings, Groups. This what I meant

AURI beyond 2010s (Possibly for the TL)
1st Fighter Group
(3x Fighter Wings and 6x Squadrons)
2x Tactical Fighter Wing (Rafale)
-124th Tactical Fighter Wing
101st and 102nd Tactical Fighter Squadron
136th Maintenance Squadron
-125th Tactical Fighter Wing (Rafale)
103rd and 104th Tactical Fighter Squadron
137th Maintenance Squadron
1x Heavy Fighter Wing (Eagle)
-126th Heavy Fighter Wing
113th and 114th Fighter Interceptor Squadron
138th Maintenance Squadron

2nd Fighter Group
(3x Fighter Wings and 5x Squadrons)
1x Tactical Fighter Wing (Rafale)
-354th Tactical Fighter Wing
371st & 375th Tactical Fighter Squadron
383rd Maintenance Squadron
2x Fighter Interceptor Wing (Eagle)
-329th Heavy Fighter Wing
315th and 316th Heavy Fighter Squadron
342nd Maintenance Squadron
-334th Heavy Fighter Wing
321st Heavy Fighter Squadron
343rd Maintenance Squadron

the number is small but I kinda purposely reserved as to think that the country wouldn’t want to bankrupt it self on the military spending spree and it wouldn’t be only the AURI any way. Army and Navy would also start a spending spree. Because of that I felt need the reserve early first just to make sure were not bankrupting the country. Maybe in the future further growth would be made.

this is just a what if and feel free to correct stuff here if what I put here seems wrong or lacking.
 
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Also because of the joint Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines Force that would fight the insurgents in Philippines. I am betting that this would be where Indonesia learn a bit as a military fighting combat operations in a foreign country since technically this is the first time ever the ABRI would bring their equipment and fighting in a major operation somewhere outside Indonesia that wouldn’t be part of UN-PKF and I am betting there would be more action happening there then the UN missions so the operations in the Philippines should be seen as a learning opportunity for the ABRI and also trial by fire for most units that deployed there. So I hope the writer would touch that part since again technically this is will be the first time ever Indonesia would taken part in a big operation outside the country.
 
Rafale is more seen as a medium fighter and if we compare it with F-15 in the carry capacity and range F-15 will be considered as a Heavy Fighter and Rafale is a medium fighter in carry capacity and range wise. Also for the composition of squadron (4 squadron of 80 fighters and 2 squadrons of Bombers), I'm not really an expert but if I'm not wrong that composition is essentially to oversized for a squadron since what I read somewhere other air forces usually limit the number of fighter within a squadron at least up to 12 or 18. The idea of putting numbers of 5 Squadrons of 12 Heavy fighters (60 fighters in total) and 6 Squadrons of 12 Medium Fighters (72 fighters in total) is so that we could spread them into wings that consist 1-2 squadrons each and spread the through out the country. More over having a specialized mission aircraft (like a bomber) would be counter productive because well in the current time a multirole aircraft is more the norm then specialized bomber. But my idea of having F-15 is because of its very large capacity and range would be perfect for Indonesia where we could identify the fighter as Multirole-Strike Fighter (Very much capable to be an Air Superiority with it's big BVRAAM capacity and at the same time has a very good niche to be a strike fighter because of its well again big capacity to carry large numbers of AGMs or ASMs). While the Rafale would be Multirole-Air Superiority (Very much a capable strike fighter but has a niche for Air Superiority because this fighter is more maneuverable then the F-15).

For Cargo planes I agree that the A400M project is a failure because of a really lengthy development. But the plane is pretty much working right now and in my opinion would be perfect for Indonesia because of the case that the C-17 felt so unnecessary for the country. Because we don’t really need that of a big strategic transport since we more focused on home defense and the A400M should already enough to fill that position. And also I expect in the future the country would purchase C-130J than the “H” since we actually already have the “H” in IRL. But it’s old as hell and as you can see also the track record, there are already a lot of accidents. So replacement of C-130H to “J” would be in a very dire need. Now for tanker, Why should we buy KC-135 (based on the older 707 which not in production anymore and probably spare parts is too expensive) and KC-97 (which is a old 1950-1970 is old tanker. We should focus more to purchase A330 MRTT since they are pretty much the future Tanker aircraft and a good one since a lot of countries IRL actually buy them.

For AEWC
To be honest our choices is pretty limited because most of the systems that exist are usually only came from US (E-7 wedgetail) or SAAB (Erieeye radar). For obvious reasons we wouldn’t even buy one from the PRC. But for this I also quite confused so I would like for the writer to put which choices that it wants if we would touch abt the ABRI later in the future.

also most of my suggestions are actually not for the early or late 2000s. I’m actually expect Indonesia to have this for the air force beyond the 2010s because as you can see try has just got his Sukhois and also there’s should enough flights per hour left for the F-16/F-5/and Hawk that we wouldn’t need to purchase new fighters urgently. But I suggest started to look things for the Cargo aircraft (in particular the C-130H since they are old as hell).
- Rafale can be considered as Heavy Fighter like Su-35, F-15, F-14, Su-27 because the role as air superiority. Majority generation 4 or above it are BVRAAM capability. Again i prefer Rafale than F-15 because transfer of technology. I predict your argument F-15 can acquired from backdoor on Israel but i believe it's still cheaper acquired it from Dassault. Well for bomber if TNI / ABRI Cannot procuring Destroyer then bomber can become solution. We can already predict only TU-22 M3 Backfire can be acquired because geopolitical condition and money.

- PFFtt British high official from defence ministry cursed both A-400 tanker and air lifter platform. So C130 still the best for light airlifter. It's still 2002 C-130J still have some problems. C-130H can be upgrade on 2006 when the problem is finished

- Buddy RRC Yuan platform AEWCS can only be counters with US abd Rusia platform AEWCS. The choice is clear because limited platform.

- Agreed F-16 can be extended but OV-10, F-5 and Hawk need to be replaced. We can already guess the platform replacement because it's only limited product whether from Russia, US, French, and Airbus
 
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Also because of the joint Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines Force that would fight the insurgents in Philippines. I am betting that this would be where Indonesia learn a bit as a military fighting combat operations in a foreign country since technically this is the first time ever the ABRI would bring their equipment and fighting in a major operation somewhere outside Indonesia that wouldn’t be part of UN-PKF and I am betting there would be more action happening there then the UN missions so the operations in the Philippines should be seen as a learning opportunity for the ABRI and also trial by fire for most units that deployed there. So I hope the writer would touch that part since again technically this is will be the first time ever Indonesia would taken part in a big operation outside the country.
It will need powerful navy and airforce to succeed such grand military operation. ABRI / TNI only have limited experience on Seroja. ABRI / TNI nowadays never have true military operation against foreign power after independence war, Gurkha, British Empire , Japan, KNIL, Dutch, and Fretilin.
 
It will need powerful navy and airforce to succeed such grand military operation. ABRI / TNI only have limited experience on Seroja. ABRI / TNI nowadays never have true military operation against foreign power after independence war, Gurkha, British Empire , Japan, KNIL, Dutch, and Fretilin.
It’s not that grandeur since its actually more of a Counter Insurgency operation since it’s just fighting against that insurgent group in Philippines that I forgot the name. But still lessons would still be learn there since it’s the first time also for ABRI to fight something that is not a UN mission and probably could see more action than before that would at least help ABRI a bit to learn some lessons (in particular for the Army since it’s their operation for the most part with support also came from Air Force and Navy).
 
@Ukron What do you think of the Indonesians using the Rafale in this ATL? Suitable or nah?
For AEWC
To be honest our choices is pretty limited because most of the systems that exist are usually only came from US (E-7 wedgetail) or SAAB (Erieeye radar). For obvious reasons we wouldn’t even buy one from the PRC. But for this I also quite confused so I would like for the writer to put which choices that it wants if we would touch abt the ABRI later in the future.

also most of my suggestions are actually not for the early or late 2000s. I’m actually expect Indonesia to have this for the air force beyond the 2010s because as you can see try has just got his Sukhois and also there’s should enough flights per hour left for the F-16/F-5/and Hawk that we wouldn’t need to purchase new fighters urgently. But I suggest started to look things for the Cargo aircraft (in particular the C-130H since they are old as hell).
Are you referring to this?
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Photo: SAAB 340 AEW & C

That would give the Indonesians advantage especially if PLAAF bombers would come. Or alternatively due to close ties with Russia, Indonesia can get the A-50 Mainstay.
1920px-Beriev_A-50_Vladivostok.jpg

Photo: A-50
that insurgent group in Philippines that I forgot the name
I think you are referring to the Abu-Sayaff Group, an Al-Qaeda linked terror org in which founders were Filipino volunteers who fought with the mujahideen during the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. The leader allegedly met Osama bin-Laden during the Soviet-Afghan War.
 
also most of my suggestions are actually not for the early or late 2000s. I’m actually expect Indonesia to have this for the air force beyond the 2010s
Just to narrow the focus, whatever weaponry, ships, aircrafts, APCs etc. ITTL ABRI is going to get should be something that's available in early 2002.

Regarding the links to Russia, this will be addressed in the next update by Try and Co. The next 1-2 updates will feature some discussion about ITTL world affairs. That's all I'll say.

Hmm i forgot if this has been discussed before

but ITTL is try cracking down on corruption in military procurement?
Not yet.

Since there are not really any separatist unrest or any unrest at the moment it’s not surprising that the ABRI is going to start seeing things abt possible foreign competitors. In particular since this TL Indonesia going to be seen as a leader in the region in particular in the TL that Try is essentially challenging the PRC in the region. It felt now there is a need early on that the ABRI needed to think the possibility to expand more then ever for a future possibility of a high tier competition with another nation that is essentially an equal or more powerful than Indonesia. Not that a war would even exist but even in IRL Asia most of the Asian countries right now are moving from the typical doctrine and equipment of fighting against insurgents to now a more high tier or equal competitor. And I will bet in this TL when PRC started making those claims in South China Sea and making those artificial islands Indonesia would start challenging the claim and maybe even conducting their own freedom of navigation operations if the countries leadership is willing to conduct it. Especially with the fact that in this TL Indonesia would start have a close relationship with Vietnam and Philippines I bet the country would also started to strongly support both countries when PRC started making those claims. But still I hope domestic level problems would still be needed to not be neglected because we never know problems always appear in both domestic and foreign. But still since the current chapters are in the early 2000s War on Terror would be the main focus. But when the War on Terror happen PRC is also in the start of the growth that will make itself became like today IRL so a growth for ABRI is needed if this TL Indonesia wanted to start challenging the PRC in the future.

I like this comment a lot. When I started, I only had one "What If" and that was "What if Try Sutrisno became president". But in the process, other what ifs have appeared one of which is "What would international affairs look like when you throw an Indonesia that survived the Asian Financial Crisis into the mix?"
 
Just to narrow the focus, whatever weaponry, ships, aircrafts, APCs etc. ITTL ABRI is going to get should be something that's available in early 2002.
Some ex-soviet stuff should still be on sale and they’re dying to get new orders.

Doubt US will give access to their nicest gear, but a lot of ex-desert storm stuff should be available.
 
@Ukron What do you think of the Indonesians using the Rafale in this ATL? Suitable or nah?

Are you referring to this?
S_100B_at_Malmen_2010-06-13_1.jpg

Photo: SAAB 340 AEW & C

That would give the Indonesians advantage especially if PLAAF bombers would come. Or alternatively due to close ties with Russia, Indonesia can get the A-50 Mainstay.
1920px-Beriev_A-50_Vladivostok.jpg

Photo: A-50

I think you are referring to the Abu-Sayaff Group, an Al-Qaeda linked terror org in which founders were Filipino volunteers who fought with the mujahideen during the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. The leader allegedly met Osama bin-Laden during the Soviet-Afghan War.
- Combo A-50 and E-767 or E3 for AEWCS

- Sorry i am not complete what i mean is future confrontation with PLA. There are no way Indonesia, Vietnam and Pinoy can head to head with RRC without powerful navy and airforce. All of the AU geopolitics indicates Indonesia saw RRC as threat for national interest.
It’s not that grandeur since its actually more of a Counter Insurgency operation since it’s just fighting against that insurgent group in Philippines that I forgot the name. But still lessons would still be learn there since it’s the first time also for ABRI to fight something that is not a UN mission and probably could see more action than before that would at least help ABRI a bit to learn some lessons (in particular for the Army since it’s their operation for the most part with support also came from Air Force and Navy).
 
- Combo A-50 and E-767 or E3 for AEWCS

- Sorry i am not complete what i mean is future confrontation with PLA. There are no way Indonesia, Vietnam and Pinoy can head to head with RRC without powerful navy and airforce. All of the AU geopolitics indicates Indonesia saw RRC as threat for national interest.
The A-50, E-767, and the E-3 are great platforms. Would give the TNI an edge in patrolling the skyways of Southeast Asia.

As for the problem with China, those countries don't really need to get head-to-head with the PLA. All those countries need is effective deterrence and area-denial weapons to keep the PLA-N and the PLAAF at bay. Keep in mind the waters from the Straits of Malacca all the way to the Miyako Strait is the U.S. Navy's swimming pool.
 
@Ukron What do you think of the Indonesians using the Rafale in this ATL? Suitable or nah?

Are you referring to this?
S_100B_at_Malmen_2010-06-13_1.jpg

Photo: SAAB 340 AEW & C

That would give the Indonesians advantage especially if PLAAF bombers would come. Or alternatively due to close ties with Russia, Indonesia can get the A-50 Mainstay.
1920px-Beriev_A-50_Vladivostok.jpg

Photo: A-50

I think you are referring to the Abu-Sayaff Group, an Al-Qaeda linked terror org in which founders were Filipino volunteers who fought with the mujahideen during the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. The leader allegedly met Osama bin-Laden during the Soviet-Afghan War.
The radar (SAAB) in particular but not the aircraft. I’m thinking something different for the aircraft. Either we could get the Brazilian one (R-99), maybe the future Globaleye, or if the country willing enough to spend the money an A319 or A320 aircraft fitted with and Erieye Radar that would look something like this
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It’s made by this man here: https://www.deviantart.com/dave-llamaman/art/Airbus-Neptune-AEW-3-672943969
 
Some ex-soviet stuff should still be on sale and they’re dying to get new orders.

Doubt US will give access to their nicest gear, but a lot of ex-desert storm stuff should be available.
We could get some old soviet stuff but in the long run also need new stuff to replace it because well their old. But what maybe we could buy from US is that we could purchase additional amount of F-16 like what IRL Indonesia did and maybe get some upgrades for it early on (and also maybe expect replacement in the future cuz just feel the need later we need additional higher quality fighters). And in particular I like to see the old NATO stuff that are in surplus (like some of the Netherlands Kortenaer Frigates to maybe early on replace the old Ahmad Yani class) and in particular for the Army is surplus army equipment from Netherlands Army or the German Army (Leopard 2s or some of their IFV). We are an Archipelago country but having a tank force would at least gave us some power (or deterrence). I can see that for armored units for Indonesia mostly will be placed in the western part of the country (Sumatra, Java, Kalimantan) since the land and infrastructure is enough to support this heavy weight vehicles and in particular is because they are the closest to mainland Asia.
 
And also just for suggestion maybe in the future for military equipment Indonesia could get mix from US, Europe, and if necessary also from Russia for some stuff.
 
I like this comment a lot. When I started, I only had one "What If" and that was "What if Try Sutrisno became president". But in the process, other what ifs have appeared one of which is "What would international affairs look like when you throw an Indonesia that survived the Asian Financial Crisis into the mix?"
Well learning of History of Asia in particular after Cold War and also present time. Currently it’s a very interesting time because currently Asia as a whole is a place of competition for the Great Powers (like US, China, Japan) and Indonesia currently while say somethings about what happen around the country yet felt so irrelevant. So it is really interesting seeing a what if in particular for Indonesia because IRL our country is so big and have a big population yet felt so irrelevant and seemed don’t really have and influence in the International affairs. So an alternate timeline like this is really2 interesting seeing Indonesia have a better outcome from the Financial Crisis and essentially in the future could be predicted as one of the main powers in Asia because of its influence in the TL. And also I pretty much like it because I see this TL as quite realistic unlike some stories maybe where they make the country like a hyper power or so invincible.
 
Some ex-soviet stuff should still be on sale and they’re dying to get new orders.

Doubt US will give access to their nicest gear, but a lot of ex-desert storm stuff should be available.
We could get some old soviet stuff but in the long run also need new stuff to replace it because well their old. But what maybe we could buy from US is that we could purchase additional amount of F-16 like what IRL Indonesia did and maybe get some upgrades for it early on (and also maybe expect replacement in the future cuz just feel the need later we need additional higher quality fighters). And in particular I like to see the old NATO stuff that are in surplus (like some of the Netherlands Kortenaer Frigates to maybe early on replace the old Ahmad Yani class) and in particular for the Army is surplus army equipment from Netherlands Army or the German Army (Leopard 2s or some of their IFV). We are an Archipelago country but having a tank force would at least gave us some power (or deterrence). I can see that for armored units for Indonesia mostly will be placed in the western part of the country (Sumatra, Java, Kalimantan) since the land and infrastructure is enough to support this heavy weight vehicles and in particular is because they are the closest to mainland Asia.
Indonesia could also get its hands on some Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigates and Spruance-class destroyers if any were retired at this period. Or maybe Indonesia could look at ships from France or Italy.
Soviet surplus could be used too. I do particulary find it interesting that the Republic of Korea Armed Forces as T-80s and BMPs donated by Russia in order to pay for some debt.
And also just for suggestion maybe in the future for military equipment Indonesia could get mix from US, Europe, and if necessary also from Russia for some stuff.
Ahh just like the Egyptian Armed Forces.
 
Indonesia could also get its hands on some Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigates and Spruance-class destroyers if any were retired at this period. Or maybe Indonesia could look at ships from France or Italy.
Soviet surplus could be used too. I do particulary find it interesting that the Republic of Korea Armed Forces as T-80s and BMPs donated by Russia in order to pay for some debt.

Ahh just like the Egyptian Armed Forces.
We want to ensure the world we are cough cough “bebas aktif” cough cough and will not take cough cough “any side” cough cough.

and for your suggestion I would avoid the Spruance and maybe get The kidd class immediately because I saw the timeline when Taiwanese Navy get it and apparently they purchase it in 2005 (even tho interest exist before that they just got the ship at that time. So I just thought what abt we make Taiwanese purchase Spruance and make us get the Kidds. And for frigates OHP is good but I just thought get kortenaer since it’s more General Purpose ship (I thought the country should get a GP frigate first in line with the uncertainty of Post Cold War World where a lot of countries still trying to adjust itself in the uncertainty in particular after 9/11. I could see that the country would start thought to buy a more specialized ship after 2010s because it’s the start where we would see the Chinese in particular to have a big growth on their Armed Forces (Navy in particular).
 
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